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Sept 2007
Hi Marie
Sherline here. So sorry that it has took so long to reply. Since I last talked to you I have obtained a copy of an application that Pat (Forbes) Hollinger filled out. Pat Hollinger is the son of Jim Hollinger. In the application he has stated who his parents and grandparents are. Pat also shed some different info on why they used the Forbes name. Marie if you would like I will send you a copy of this application and you may use it how ever you like. Perhaps this can help us find out if we are all part of the same Hollinger family.
Sherline

MYoung7730@aol.com

JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 1
JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 2
JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 3
JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 4
JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 5
JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 6
JAMES HOLLINGER FORBES page 7

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        MYoung7730@aol.com

Iwould be very gratful for any info on a William Hollinger who married
Biscy
Dees about 1829 in Creek Nation Santa Rosa Fl.I have that they had a son
named James Hollinger who married Geeny Snowden in 1855 in Creek Nation
Baldwin Al. Any help appreciated.  e-mail address myoung7730@aol.com
Thanks
Sherline



MYoung7730@aol.com wrote:
Hi Marie,
My info has as follows:William Hollinger married Biscy Dees about 1829
inCreek Nation Santa Rosa Fl.. Biscy was born about 1800 in Creek Nation
Monroe Al.. They had  a son named Jim  Hollinger, he married  Geeny Snowdon
about 1855 in Creek Nation Baldwin Al. Jim and Geeny had a daughter named
Corneila Hollinger . Corneila Hollinger married Jerry Morris about 1877 in
Creek Nation Baldwin Al. I have info on the children that  was born to
Corneila and Jerry Morris . Corneila and Jerry is my great grandparents. I
was told that Corneila married a man by the name of Forbes after Jerry's
death. I have no proof of this. Any info will be helpful. I do know in fact
that Corneila and Jerry was married . Corneila is buried in a little
community called Mosquito Flats Al. Thanks for answering me.
Sherline
SHERLINE - Thanks - Sure this will help our HOLLINGER group understand you
and
yours-
Our Southern Hollingers have 'dug up' much documentations and I am going to
send you thro our ALABAMA page (when we get More HOLLINGERS in Al, we will
have
separate pages for each county.=
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~holinger/hollyal.htm
WHEN someone Contacts You - We Like You Or Them to send a CC to this
Hollinger
group - so all that have shared this info , can share yours, etc
WE would like the HOLLINGER you descend from = Name, wife, kids, etc =
small
chart =Names, Dates, Places, so we can connect to these Areas.

ALSO, Any Census, Documents you have extracted, can be posted on these
county/state pages contributed by You and e-mail address = Very Good for
Search
Engines to pick up your info for contacts on people working those
counties/states.
Thanks,
marie, iowa



Marie
sorry to bother you again I reread the letter I have it was not Corneila
who
wed Forbes it was Geeny Snowden who is also referred to as Senie. Here is a
part of the letter giving what details I have
James Hollinger being 3/4 Indian married an Indian maiden  Senie Snowden.
To them was born Cornelia,Charlie,Patrick,Bob,Julia and Meliza.Senie later
married a James Forbes, trader with Indians, the children being very young
used  the name Forbes, their real father was James Hollinger. James father
,William Hollinger  arrived in New Orleans by boat from Ireland in the year
1789. He to married a Indian maiden her Indian name was Bisey Dees A
Paluger.
Mary Weatherford was a sister of Red Eagle and a half sister of Thomas Tate
Tunstall
Dont know how correct this info is ,but I did want to correct my mistake.
Thanks
Sherline 

Adam Hollinger, father of Creek half-breed William Hollinger, was on
Alabama
long before 1789.  Are these suppose to be the same William Hollinger?
Otherwise they seem to be the same.  Jim

             "James Miller, Jr." <jalmillerjr@worldnet.att.net>



Thanks Marie
In answer to Jim I don't know who William Hollinger's father was. I contact
the Creeks in Atmore Al today they informed me that Red Eagle did have a
sister named Mary Weatherford but could not recall what her given name in
Indian was. The records are no longer at the Creek Rev they have been sent
tothe Mobile library.
I live in Texas so it will be some time before I can take a trip to Al. In
the history books in the San Antonio library I was unable to find that Red
Eagle had a sister, so I'll be grateful for any info I get.I dont know when
William Hollinger was born I guess about 1800 thats when Biscy/Mary was
born.
Thanks Sherline

SHERLINE - Thanks for trying - Did you follow the hilited link I sent you -
believe it was for our Hollingers in Alabama page?
It probably has JIM'S PAGE listed as a highlited link and you can follow
some of
the people connected to this family and their documentation, etc.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~holinger/hollyal.htm
CLICK on this Link and follow thro Any Links - USE your BACK button to
return and
go somewhere else. ADVISE of any Links that don't work.
marie, iowa

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sept 2007

1 September 18, 2007 10:29 PM
Descendants of William Hollinger
Generation No. 1
1. WILLIAM1 HOLLINGER
Child of WILLIAM HOLLINGER is:
2. i. ADAM2 HOLLINGER.
Generation No. 2
2. ADAM2 HOLLINGER (WILLIAM1) He married ELIZABETH.
Child of ADAM HOLLINGER and ELIZABETH is:
3. i. WILLIAM3 HOLLINGER.
Generation No. 3
3. WILLIAM3 HOLLINGER (ADAM2, WILLIAM1) He married BISCY DEES 1825 in Creek Nation
Santa Rosa Fl., daughter of TABITHA DEES. She was born in Creek Nation Monroe Al., and
died in 1902.
Notes for WILLIAM HOLLINGER:
According to a letter from the... United States Department Of The Interior...Bureau Of Indian
Affairs
Muskogee Area Office Muskogee Oklahoma dated 5 -17-1983..Tribal Operations
Descendents of William Hollinger was determined eligible to share in the per capita
distribution of Eastern Creek Judgment Funds from Docket 275
Notes for BISCY DEES:
info on Biscy Dees birth found on the LDS Fam. Search Site film # 1904037
There is a report dated 6-20-1907 to the Special Commisioner of the Courts of Claims
Washington DC stating Jim Forbes Hollinger 's mother name as Mary Forbes ,formerly Mary
Stewart.
Marriage Notes for WILLIAM HOLLINGER and BISCY DEES:
info on marriage found on the LDS Fam. Search Site film#1904030
More About WILLIAM HOLLINGER and BISCY DEES:
Marriage: 1825, Creek Nation Santa Rosa Fl.
Children of WILLIAM HOLLINGER and BISCY DEES are:
4. i. JAMES FORBES4 HOLLINGER, b. Abt. 1825.
ii. JEFF HOLLINGER.
iii. ELIZABETH HOLLINGER.
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Generation No. 4
4. JAMES FORBES4 HOLLINGER (WILLIAM3, ADAM2, WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1825. He married
SENEY SNOWDEN Abt. 1850 in Creek Nation Baldwin Al.. She was born Abt. 1830 in Creek
Nation Santa Rosa Fl.., and died 1920 in Escambia Co. Al,.
Notes for JAMES FORBES HOLLINGER:
According to Pat Forbes application to the Indian Affairs dated March 30 1907, James
Hollinger used the name James Forbes as an assumed name. The application states that James
Hollinger was his Indian name and James Forbes was his English name.
In 1870 Census Santa Rosa Co. Milton P.O. Fl. , James was listed with the last name of Forbes.
Living in his household was:
James Forbes 53
Seney " 50 Listed as Lemey Forbes
Henry " 20
Dick " 18
Dinah " 14
Patrick " 11
Charles " 9
Florence " 5
1880 Census Escambia Co. Pensacola Fl. father mother
Name age born in born in born in
James J Forbes 56 Al S.C. Ga.
Senie wife 55 Fl. S.C.
Patrick son 21 Al. Al. Fl.
Charley " 18 Fl. Al Fl.
Robert " 14 Fl. " "
Dolly daughter 11 " " "
Diana Evans " 23 " " "
Allethina ( ?) gdaughter 7/12 " ? Al.
Census listed
James J Forbes as farming
Senie Forbes as housekeeping
Patrick Forbes as a teamster
Robert Forbes as a teamster
Diana Evans as housekeeping
More About JAMES FORBES HOLLINGER:
Census: 1870, Santa Rosa Co. Milton P.O Fl.
Notes for SENEY SNOWDEN:
I have found the spelling of her first name as Geeny in the LDS. In the application that Pat
Forbes made to the Indian Affairs March 30 1907. In this application he states that her name
was Seney Snowden as her English name and Seney Dees was her Indian name.
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Marriage Notes for JAMES HOLLINGER and SENEY SNOWDEN:
Info found in the Moron Fam. Search Web. Site file #1904030
More About JAMES HOLLINGER and SENEY SNOWDEN:
Marriage: Abt. 1850, Creek Nation Baldwin Al.
Children of JAMES HOLLINGER and SENEY SNOWDEN are:
i. MARY FORBES5 HOLLINGER, m. JOHN T MORRIS; b. 1842; d. November 1923.
More About JOHN T MORRIS:
Burial: Cooper Cem. Escambia Co. Al
ii. MELIZA FORBES HOLLINGER.
iii. HENRY FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1850.
5. iv. CORNELIA FORBES HOLLINGER, b. August 1854, Creek Nation Baldwin Al.; d. August 13, 1925,
Escambia Co.. Al,.
v. CAMILLA FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1860; m. UNKNOWN STEWARD.
vi. CHARLIE FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1862.
vii. ANDREW JACKSON FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1864.
6. viii. PATRICK FORBES HOLLINGER, b. December 1864, Creek Nation Baldwin Al..
ix. JULIA FORBES HOLLINGER, b. Abt. 1866, Creek Nation Baldwin Al.; m. UNKNOWN PINTON.
x. ROBERT FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1866.
7. xi. DIANNA FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1857, Baldwin Co. Al..
xii. DOLLY FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1874.
Generation No. 5
5. CORNELIA FORBES5 HOLLINGER (JAMES FORBES4, WILLIAM3, ADAM2, WILLIAM1) was born
August 1854 in Creek Nation Baldwin Al., and died August 13, 1925 in Escambia Co.. Al,.
She married JEREMIAH (JERRY ) MORRIS Abt. 1877 in Creek Nation Baldwin al., son of BURRELL
MORRIS and ROSANNA CARNLEY. He was born 1849 in Covington Al., and died Abt. 1889.
Notes for CORNELIA FORBES HOLLINGER:
Facts of birth found Mormon Fam. Search Web Site file#1985310
Cornelia's son West is buried next to her in the Happy Valley Cem. Escambia Co. Fl. I have
pictures of the head stone for Corneila and West on file.
See Jeremiah Morris for 1880 census details.
More About CORNELIA FORBES HOLLINGER:
Burial: Happy Valley Cem. Century Fl.Escambia Co.
Census: 1880, Santa Rosa Co Fl
Notes for JEREMIAH (JERRY ) MORRIS:
1880 United States Census Santa Rosa Co. Fl.
As follows relation...martial status...gender..race..age..born..occupation..father b/p.. mother
b/p
Jeremiah self m m w 27 Al laborer Ga Ga
Corneila wife m f w 27 " kps house Al Al
Mary dau s f w 10 Fl " "
Niel son s m w 6 " " "
Mildred dau s f w 1 " " "
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More About JEREMIAH (JERRY ) MORRIS:
Census: 1850, Covington Co. Al. listed as 8 mos
More About JEREMIAH MORRIS and CORNELIA HOLLINGER:
Marriage: Abt. 1877, Creek Nation Baldwin al.
Children of CORNELIA HOLLINGER and JEREMIAH MORRIS are:
i. MARY6 MORRIS, b. 1870.
More About MARY MORRIS:
Census: 1880, Santa Rosa County Fla.
ii. NEAL MORRIS, b. July 1874, Florida; m. ELLIZA GODWIN; b. April 1874, Escambia Alabama; d.
1952.
Notes for NEAL MORRIS:
Name spelled Niel Morris on 1880 census
More About NEAL MORRIS:
Census: 1880, Santa Rosa County Fla.
iii. ELLA MORRIS, b. April 02, 1878; m. Never married.
iv. MILDRED MORRIS, b. 1879.
More About MILDRED MORRIS:
Census: 1880, Santa Rosa Fl.
v. LEWIS WESLEY MORRIS, b. March 05, 1880; d. December 22, 1945.
Notes for LEWIS WESLEY MORRIS:
West is buried in same cem. as his mother Cornelia. Dates are not readable on head stone.Info
given by Shirley Ann Owens who visited the cem.
More About LEWIS WESLEY MORRIS:
Burial: Happy Valley Cem Century Fl. Escambia Co.
vi. TIM MORRIS, b. April 01, 1883; d. 1909.
vii. LAWRENCE ALBERT MORRIS, b. April 25, 1884, Alabama; d. March 04, 1939, Alabama; m.
FLORANCE EVANS; b. October 12, 1890, Brewton, Escambia Co. AL; d. July 09, 1977,
Brewton,Escambia Co. AL.
Notes for LAWRENCE ALBERT MORRIS:
Listed in the 1917-18 Escambia Fl. Civilian Draft Registration His birth date is listed as 4-26-1885
More About LAWRENCE ALBERT MORRIS:
Burial: Pleasant Hill Cem. Wildfork Rd. Brewton,Escambia Co. Al.
More About FLORANCE EVANS:
Burial: Pleasant Hill Cem. Wildfork Rd. Brewton,Escambia Co. Al.
viii. VAN MORRIS, b. April 15, 1888, Santa Rosa County Fla.; d. November 04, 1971; m. ROSA
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WHITEHEAD.
6. PATRICK FORBES5 HOLLINGER (JAMES FORBES4, WILLIAM3, ADAM2, WILLIAM1) was born
December 1864 in Creek Nation Baldwin Al.. He married LIZZIE.
Notes for PATRICK FORBES HOLLINGER:
More About PATRICK FORBES HOLLINGER:
Census: 1870, Santa Rosa Co. Milton P.O. Fl.
Children of PATRICK HOLLINGER and LIZZIE are:
i. CLARENCE FORBES6 HOLLINGER, b. 1890; m. BESSIE BOLTS; b. 1892.
ii. CLARA FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1892.
iii. CASSIE FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1897.
iv. ANGIE FORBES HOLLINGER, b. 1902.
7. DIANNA FORBES5 HOLLINGER (JAMES FORBES4, WILLIAM3, ADAM2, WILLIAM1) was born
1857 in Baldwin Co. Al.. She married (1) JOHN EVANS May 15, 1877 in Santa Rosa Fl.. She
married (2) JEFFERSON D. BOUTWELL July 10, 1883 in ESCAMBIA CO. AL.
More About DIANNA FORBES HOLLINGER:
Census: 1880, Pensacola Escambia Co Fl.
More About JOHN EVANS and DIANNA HOLLINGER:
Marriage: May 15, 1877, Santa Rosa Fl.
More About JEFFERSON BOUTWELL and DIANNA HOLLINGER:
Marriage: July 10, 1883, ESCAMBIA CO. AL
Child of DIANNA HOLLINGER and JOHN EVANS is:
i. ALLETHINA6 EVANS, b. Abt. 1879.