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Anglin-Anglen-Anglim-Angland
Surname Y-DNA Project

Administrator: Karen Parker Co-Administrator: Joan Bulach


Last updated September 22, 2009


Separate pages for each group have been added.
If you notice any errors or omissions, I would be very grateful if you would bring them to my attention.

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Latest results

  A61 now has results on all 37 markers, and he matches the ancestral haplotype for Group 2 exactly. A61 is an Anglim whose family immigrated from County Limerick to the United States in 1907. It's good to see further corroboration of the conclusion that Anglin and Anglim are variants of the same surname.

We have a new member of Group 3: A59, believed to be a descendant of Samuel Anglin and Catherine Coursey, matches Group 3's ancestral haplotype exactly on all 37 markers.

Results are in on all 37 markers for A60, and he does not fall within any of our groups, so I am placing him in the unassigned section for his haplogroup.

Results are in on all 37 markers for A58, a Group 2 participant whose ancestors immigrated from Ireland before 1852, and we have an exciting development, one more twist in the A17/A22/A36 dilemma: A58 shares a mutation with A22, which seems to cast even more doubt on the likelihood that A17's and A22's earliest known ancestors were brothers.

See full test results.

Brief Summary

  We have results from 60 participants who live in Ireland, England, Canada, Gibraltar, and the United States. We first discovered that none of the three earliest colonial American Anglins (William, Adrian, and James) were related. Then our first six matches who are residents of Ireland or are descended from 19th- and 20th-century emigrants from Ireland all turned out to be related to the William who died in Caswell County, North Carolina, in 1803. Accordingly, William's descendants and their Irish, Canadian and American cousins comprise Group 2 of our project.

Twenty-four members of Group 3 are descendants of Adrian Anglin, who died in Buckingham County, Virginia, in 1777, but it wasn't until A44's results came in that Group 3 finally found an Old-World connection. A44's immigrant ancestor came to the United States from Ireland in 1913.

Last, but certainly not least, Group 4 consists of the descendants of James Anglin, who lived in Virginia and North Carolina before moving to Wilkes County, Georgia, where he died in 1778. We have yet to find an Old World connection for Group 4, but the fact that an Old World connection for Group 3 has only recently been found has encouraged us to be patient and keep looking.

The DNA tests have produced a number of surprises requiring adjustments in our family histories, so if you don't find your ancestor in the group you expect, check one of the other groups.

We have 7 participants who are yet unmatched: three in Georgia (one of whom is descended from the legendary Irish chieftain, Niall of the Nine Hostages), one in Arkansas, one in Ireland, and two in England (one whose family is from the Caribbean and one whose family is from County Cork). We hope that in time, we will find matches for all of those yet unassigned to a group.

Who are we and why are we doing this?

  We are Anglin descendants who are using genetic testing to obtain information about our ancestors that we can't get any other way. Genetic testing for some surname DNA projects has broken down long-standing "brick walls," proven relationships betweens lines that were previously thought to be unrelated, and proven that some lines previously thought to be related were not related after all. Such projects have brought researchers together who were able to fill gaps in each other's knowledge and documentation.

  One set of test results by itself tells us nothing. It is only in comparing sets of results with others that pictures begin to emerge. And the more participants there are, the clearer the pictures become, so we hope that every Anglin descendant will actively recruit participants. This is so important, because now that people have fewer children, different lines are increasingly "daughtered out," leaving no Y chromosomes for testing. It is therefore critical that we get as many tested as possible, before the opportunity is lost forever.

  As more genetic population studies are done, we can compare our ancestors' DNA with the DNA tests done of the old settled populations in specific localities and perhaps determine where in the "old country" our ancestors most likely lived.

  We are not affiliated with any testing company and do not stand to make any money from this project.

Goals

  We hope that this project will accomplish the following:
  • prove or disprove relationships among different lines
  • confirm or refute family legends
  • support or contradict conclusions based on scanty documentary evidence
  • establish communication among related participants
  • produce leads for further research
  • teach us about migration routes of our prehistoric ancestors

Who can participate?
  Since a surname genetic study is accomplished by testing the Y chromosome of persons with the same surname, and since the Y chromosome is transmitted from father to son, only males with the Anglin or Anglen surname would be appropriate for testing in this project. If any male Anglin or Anglen were aware, however, of a "nonpaternal event," such as adoption, which would have broken the biological Anglin patriline, that person would not be an appropriate participant.

How can Anglin descendants help if they aren't eligible for testing?
  Those of us who have at least one female in our Anglin line are often just as interested in the results of testing, or even more so, than persons who are eligible for testing. We can help in the following ways:
  • We can identify cousins who are eligible for testing and recruit them to participate.
  • We can publicize the project.
  • We can pay for the testing of cousins who would be appropriate subjects for the project but have no interest in genealogy.
  • We can contribute to our project's account with Family Tree DNA to help fund the testing of appropriate subjects.

What's involved in testing?
  You will be mailed a test kit. You will swab the inside of your mouth, put the swab back into the container, and mail the kit back. It's simple, fast, and painless.

Privacy Considerations
  Privacy is a serious consideration with Family Tree DNA and with me personally. Please visit the Family Tree DNA site and click on both the "Privacy" and "FAQ" tabs for information on their privacy policies.
  On this web site, participants will be identified by numbers. The amount of information you give me is up to you, but since the test results alone with no line of descent to tie them to doesn't tell us much, we really need a pedigree for each participant. When I post it, I will leave out the identities of the participant and his father, for the sake of privacy.

The type of testing done for these surname projects is done on segments of so-called "junk DNA" in the Y chromosome; they have no known function, so there is no known correlation with any health or personal traits. Moreover, the kind of testing that is done in these projects is not the kind which can identify a particular individual.

If you have any questions or concerns about privacy after looking at the Family Tree DNA Site, please let me know, and I'll try to address them.

A word about costs
  Being a frugal sort, I am concerned about the test costs. I have paid to have cousins tested in this and other Y-DNA surname projects. I remind myself that the testing offers possibilities of gaining information regarding our ancestors that cannot be obtained any other way. If we do any traveling in the course of our genealogy research, the testing costs are just a drop in the bucket in comparison. And if test results can keep you from spending your time and money trying to find a non-existent connection, it can result in a big savings. And I remind myself of what my good friend told me when I was balking at spending a considerable amount of money for something that was lovely, but not necessary: "Amortize, Karen, amortize." So if we just spread the cost out over the useful life of the information, it doesn't seem like much at all. Prices are mentioned along with the discussion of the number of markers just below.

How many markers should I have tested?
  Family Tree DNA's group rates are as follows: the 12-marker test is $99, the 37-marker test is $149, and the 67-marker test is $238. The 12-marker test is so broad that perfect matches could include people who are not even Anglins. The only reason to order a 12-marker test is if you think you may not be related to any of the other participants and you don't want to be out the extra money that it would cost to test more markers unless you were sure you would find a relationship with someone. You really need the 37-marker test to be able to tell much, unless you think you may not be related to anyone else in the project.

Family Tree DNA offers tests for 67 markers, but most of the markers from 38 through 67 have such slow mutation rates that they have not been much help in distinguishing among branches in a family group. In other words, it doesn't give a much higher resolution picture of a family group. I am hoping that new participants will order the 37-marker tests, which could be upgraded to 67 markers later if necessary to solve a specific problem.

Join this project

Contribute to our testing fund
  There may be some candidates for participation who care nothing about genealogy, but whose DNA we very much want; or candidates for participation who care about genealogy, but are unable to pay for testing. Contributions can be made in someone's honor, if you wish. If you would like to contribute to an account to help pay for testing for our project, click here.

Contributions, expenditures, and account balance for our project fund
  01/11/06 - Joan B. Bulach donation in memory of Lorene Anglin, Mother....$50
01/11/06 - Karen Parker donation in memory of Paul D. Parker....$50
03/20/06 - Patricia R. Webber donation in honor of those who have shared their research....$50
03/20/06 - Victor L. Lee donation in memory of LaVerne Wilson Lee....$50
03/24/06 - Joe L. Anglin donation....$100
06/22/06 - Karen Parker donation....$100
06/26/06 - Jack D. Anglin donation....$50
06/26/06 - Victor L. Lee donation in memory of LaVerne Wilson Lee....$50
06/26/06 - Joan B. Bulach donation....$50
06/27/06 - Candy Slocum donation....$50
06/29/06 - Anglin Meeting Fund donation....$100
07/07/06 - Curt Malone donation....$50
08/03/06 - Richard D. Anglin II donation....$209
08/25/06 - William G. Anglin donation in honor of his grandfather, Robert Woods Anglin....$150
10/06/06 - Bebe Garcia donation....$50
10/09/06 - Michael Anglin donation....$100
10/09/06 - Patricia R. Webber donation....$50
10/09/06 - Candy J. Slocum donation....$50
10/09/06 - Victor L. Anglin donation in memory of LaVerne Wilson Lee....$50
10/10/06 - Johnny C. Anglin donation in memory of Jesse Columbus Anglin....$50
10/15/06 - Walter F. Anglin donation in appreciation of researchers who share data....$100
10/16/06 - J. Shane Anglin donation in memory of his father, James Theo Anglin....$50
10/28/06 - Charles D. Anglin donation in memory of his daughter, Sandra....$100
10/28/06 - Marie Ashton donation....$200
10/28/06 - Doris Anglin French donation....$100
10/28/06 - Joan B. Bulach donation in memory of her mother, Lorene Anglin....$60
10/28/06 - Jim Burgess donation....$130
10/28/06 - Sharon Oliver donation....$50
11/01/06 - William G. Anglin donation to support the work of the Anglin Research Group....$50
11/17/06 - Emmett O. Anglin IV donation in memory of Dr. R. R. Renfrow, D. D. S....$25
11/20/06 - Ella Anglin West donation....$50
11/20/06 - Katy Greenwood donation in memory of Alice Anglin....$100
11/21/06 - Candy Slocum donation in memory of Walter F. Anglin....$50
11/21/06 - Victor L. Lee donation in memory of Walter F. Anglin....$50
11/21/06 - Joan Bulach donation in memory of Walter F. Anglin....$50
11/21/06 - Karen Parker donation in memory of Walter F. Anglin....$50
03/01/07 - Fred L. Anglin, Jr. donation in memory of his beloved wife Bonnie....$1000
03/19/07 - Earnings from fund-raising store....$40.49
10/22/07 - Doris Anglin French donation....$100
05/21/08 - Karen Parker donation in memory of Emmett O. Anglin IV....$200
08/18/08 - Karen Parker donation....$52.51
09/01/08 - Victor L. Lee in memory of his beloved LaVerne Wilson Lee....$150
09/29/08 - Karen Parker donation....$46.00
10/20/08 - Sharon Oliver donation....$50.00
03/24/09 - Joan Bulach donation in memory of Evelyn Williams....$50.00
03/27/09 - Victor Lee donation in memory of Evelyn Williams....$50.00
03/30/09 - Karen Parker donation in memory of Evelyn Williams....$50.00
08/07/09 - Refund of price drop between the time we ordered and the time we used a test kit....$40.00
09/01/09 - Robert W. Anglin in memory of his father, Thomas F. Anglin Jr, and his brothers Thomas F. Anglin III and Michael K. Anglin....$500.00.

  03/21/06 - Expenditure....$148 (upgrade of one test from 25 to 67 markers)
06/27/06 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
07/10/06 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
08/17/06 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
09/04/06 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
10/15/06 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
10/16/06 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
11/01/06 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
11/27/06 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
11/27/06 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
12/20/06 - Expenditure....$161 (37-marker test plus postage, less holiday gift certificate)
01/23/07 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
02/27/07 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
03/08/07 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
03/12/07 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
03/28/07 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
07/07/07 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
12/31/07 - Expenditure....$322 (2 37-marker tests plus postage, less holiday gift certificates)
04/30/08 - Expenditure....$193 (37-marker test plus international postage)
05/22/08 - Expenditure....$191 (37-marker test plus postage)
08/18/08 - Expenditure....$123 (37-marker test plus postage at $119 sale price and new $4 domestic postage rate)
09/29/08 - Expenditure....$242 (2 37-marker tests plus postage at $119 sale price and new $4 domestic postage rate)

09/29/08 - Total now available....$744

Gratitude
  This is an extraordinary collaborative effort! We owe our heartfelt thanks to a number of people who have contributed to this project. We are grateful to Joan Bulach, Patricia Webber, Victor Lee, Joe L. Anglin, Jack L. Anglin, Candy Slocum, Curt Malone, Rich Anglin, William G. Anglin, Bebe Garcia, Johnny C. Anglin, Mike Anglin, Walter F. Anglin, Shane Anglin, Charles D. Anglin, Marie Ashton, Doris Anglin French, Jim Burgess Sharon Oliver, Emmett Anglin IV, Ella Anglin West, Katy Greenwood, Fred L. Anglin, Jr. and Robert W. Anglin for their generous contributions to our project fund. We are also indebted to Joan Bulach and to Evelyn Williams for their generous contributions of time, talent and money. These two have spent much time and energy in their recruitment efforts, and between them, they've paid for several tests. Rob Anglin has spent much time and effort recruiting several participants, for which we are very grateful. We also appreciate the recruiting work that Bob Anglin has done. We thank Ruth Anglin, Ella West, Doris French, Victor Lee, Maryan Handy, and Johnny Anglin, Jr., who have also recruited participants and paid for tests. And of course, we thank each of the gentlemen who paid for their tests and each of the gentlemen who contributed their DNA. Last, but certainly not least, we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Aidan Anglin, who has tirelessly traveled all across Ireland and spent countless hours in Irish libraries doing all of the research that can be done in Ireland concerning Anglins, research that no one could do without living in Ireland. By the time Aidan gets finished, we can be confident that no stone has been left unturned; his efforts have been, and continue to be, exhaustive.

Test Results
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    DYS Numbers
ID Ancestor 3
9
3		 3
9
0		 1
9
*		 3
9
1		 3
8
5
a		 3
8
5
b		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 3
8
9
i		 3
9
2		 3
8
9
i
i		 4
5
8		 4
5
9
a		 4
5
9
b		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 4
6
4
a		 4
6
4
b		 4
6
4
c		 4
6
4
d		 4
6
0		 G
A
T
A
H
4		 Y
C
A
II
a		 Y
C
A
II
b		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 C
D
Y
a		 C
D
Y
b		 4
4
2		 4
3
8
Group 2
Citizens of Ireland; descendants of 19th and 20th century immigrants from Ireland to England, Canada, and the United States;
and descendants of William Anglin of Hanover Co., VA; b. abt 1732; d. 1803, Caswell Co., NC
SNP-tested haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f* (R-L21*)
A6 (Wm) John 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A8 (Wm) John 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A13 (Wm) Aaron 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A2 (Wm) John 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 17 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A57 (Wm)Drury 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A11 (Wm) Wm 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A31 (Wm) John 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29                                                  
A29   13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A61 Anglim 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A42 Edward 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29                                                  
A22 Samuel 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A58 Thomas 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 29 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A45 Anglim 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 19 17 37 37 12 12
A17 Robert 13 23 15 10 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 19 17 37 37 12 12
A36 Jeremiah 13 23 15 10 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A26 John 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 38 38 12 12
A54 James 13 23 15 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 20 28 16 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 36 12 12
                                                                             
ID Ancestor 3
9
3		 3
9
0		 1
9
*		 3
9
1		 3
8
5
a		 3
8
5
b		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 3
8
9
i		 3
9
2		 3
8
9
i
i		 4
5
8		 4
5
9
a		 4
5
9
b		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 4
6
4
a		 4
6
4
b		 4
6
4
c		 4
6
4
d		 4
6
0		 G
A
T
A
H
4		 Y
C
A
II
a		 Y
C
A
II
b		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 C
D
Y
a		 C
D
Y
b		 4
4
2		 4
3
8
Group 3:       Adrian Anglin, b. 1693, d. 1777 Buckingham Co., VA   •    Francis Anglin, b. Ireland abt 1873
SNP-tested haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f* (R-L21*)
A9 Philip 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A10 Philip 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A35 Joshua 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A41 Adrian 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A12 Adrian 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 14 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A28 Adrian 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 34 40 12 12
A43 Daniel 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A3 Daniel 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 34 41 12 12
A37 Daniel 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 12 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 13 12
A53 George 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A51 John 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A59 John 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A50 John 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 34 41 12 12
A40 John 13 23 15 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 19 16 35 41 12 12
A7 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A14 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A18 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A52 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A46 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 23 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A27 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 15 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A25 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 17 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A4 William 13 23 14 10 10 15 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 35 41 12 12
A48 William 13 23 14 10 10 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 9 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 17 15 18 16 35 35 11 12
A23 Philip (1810) 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 16 36 41 12 12
A44 Francis 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 28 16 9 9 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 35 42 12 12
                                                                             
ID Ancestor 3
9
3		 3
9
0		 1
9
*		 3
9
1		 3
8
5
a		 3
8
5
b		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 3
8
9
i		 3
9
2		 3
8
9
i
i		 4
5
8		 4
5
9
a		 4
5
9
b		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 4
6
4
a		 4
6
4
b		 4
6
4
c		 4
6
4
d		 4
6
0		 G
A
T
A
H
4		 Y
C
A
II
a		 Y
C
A
II
b		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 C
D
Y
a		 C
D
Y
b		 4
4
2		 4
3
8
Group 4:       James Anglin, b. abt 1720 Ireland, d. 1778, Wilkes Co., GA   •   SNP-tested haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f* (R-L21*).
A16 David 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 16 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 16 16 17 35 39 12 12
A20 John 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 16 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 16 16 17 35 39 12 12
A39 John 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 16 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 16 16 17 35 39 12 12
A30 Thomas 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 16 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 16 16 17 35 39 12 12
A24 William 14 23 15 11 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 16 18 19 10 11 19 23 16 16 17 17 35 39 12 12
A5 Henry 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 15 16 18 10 11 19 23 16 15 16 17 35 39 12 12
A47 Henry 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 26 15 19 32 15 15 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 16 16 17 35 38 12 12
A15 Henry 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 15 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 17 16 17 34 38 12 12
A21 Henry 14 23 15 10 11 15 12 12 13 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 32 15 15 16 19 10 11 19 23 16 17 16 17 34 38 12 12
                                                                             
Unassigned   •   Predicted haplogroup R1b1
A1 Anglin 13 24 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 28 15 15 17 17 12 11 19 23 15 16 19 18 37 39 12 13
A19 Angle 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 28                                                  
A60 Anglen 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 28 18 9 10 11 11 25 16 18 30 15 15 17 17 10 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 34 38 12 12
A33 Anglim 13 25 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14 15 16 17 11 10 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 37 12 12
A34 John 14 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 28 15 15 17 17 11 12 19 23 15 15 18 17 36 38 13 12
A55 Hanglin 13 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 16 16 17 11 11 19 23 17 14 18 19 37 38 12 12
A38   13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 14 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 16 16 17 11 11 19 23 15 16 18 17 38 38 12 13
                                                                             
Unassigned   •   Predicted haplogroup E3a
A32   15 21 17 10 16 20 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 8 10 11 11 27 14 21 34 13 15 15 17 12 10 19 21 15 13 17 16 34 36 11 11
                                                                             
Unassigned   •   Predicted haplogroup I2b
A56 Anglin 14 23 15 10 15 15 11 13 12 14 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 19 27 11 14 14 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 39 41 12 10
                                                                             
ID Ancestor 3
9
3		 3
9
0		 1
9
*		 3
9
1		 3
8
5
a		 3
8
5
b		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 3
8
9
i		 3
9
2		 3
8
9
i
i		 4
5
8		 4
5
9
a		 4
5
9
b		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 4
6
4
a		 4
6
4
b		 4
6
4
c		 4
6
4
d		 4
6
0		 G
A
T
A
H
4		 Y
C
A
II
a		 Y
C
A
II
b		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 C
D
Y
a		 C
D
Y
b		 4
4
2		 4
3
8

The alleles in red have faster mutation rates than the others.

If a participant's ID number is underlined, click on it to see his pedigree. You can click on the Group number to see a pedigree chart showing the relative positions of those participants in the group whom we have been able to connect to one another.

In the "Ancestor" column, I have named which son of the group's patriarch that participant is descended from, if known. If it is unknown, then I have put the name of the earliest known ancestor up to the gap in the participant's lineage.

The numbers have no intrinsic meaning. They are simply the number of times certain patterns at certain locations on the Y chromosome are repeated. But since these are passed from father to son with only occasional mutations, their significance comes in comparing them to results from other people. If results are very similar, a relationship can be inferred; if they are not very similar, we know there can be no genealogically significant relationship.

Participants are grouped according to their haplotypes. (A haplotype is the set of values a participant has for each marker tested; the test results, in other words: the numbers we have displayed for each participant on the chart above.) Participants who are placed in the same group have such similar haplotypes that we know they are related to a genealogically significant degree. Conversely, if participants are not in the same group, then there are so many differences in their haplotypes that we know there is no genealogically significant relationship between them; i.e. they do not share a common ancestor at any time within the past 500 years. And if a participant is designated as "unassigned," then he is not related to anyone else in our project to any genealogically significant degree.

Since we have results from three different sons of the patriarchs of Groups 2, 3, and 4, we have been able to establish the patriarchs' haplotypes, which we will call the ancestral haplotype for each group. Some of our participants in each group have the same haplotype as the patriarch of the group had (i.e. no mutations from the ancestral haplotype). The ancestral haplotypes for Groups 2, 3, and 4 will be the first one listed. Any mutations from the ancestral haplotypes appear in bold type. On A23, I did not put the value at 389ii in bold type, because there is not a true difference here. Some labs report 389i and 189ii differently, but in the reporting convention Family Tree DNA uses, we get the value of 389ii by subtracting the value for 389i from the value of 389ii. Therefore if there is a one-step difference at 389i, then that difference is also reflected in the value of 389ii, but that difference should not be counted twice.

Since we discovered that markers 38 through 67, while they can be useful as to deep ancestry, are not very helpful in separating different lines of one extended family, we have only one participant, A3, who has been tested for those markers. Instead of making the entire chart so wide, I've placed the results for these additional markers on a separate page. There are tests available for markers with faster mutation rates, however, which might help us separate different lines of an extended family, and I am exploring which of these will give us our greatest chance for success.

Haplogroups and our Deep Ancestry
  Once we have found out who our cousins are, i. e. those with whom we share a common ancestor born in the time since surnames have been adopted, we may be interested in learning what we can about our more distant ancestors. We can look to geneticists, anthropologists and linguists for information about our remote ancestors, where they originated, how they lived, what materials they used, where they migrated, and how they interacted with other groups. Before we begin to look for information about our remote ancestors, we need to be able to identify their haplogroup. A haplogroup is a major branch of the human family tree. Haplogroups and their subclades, or smaller branches of the family tree, are identified by certain SNP's (pronounced "snips": single nucleotide polymorphisms, a particular kind of mutation). In other words, certain SNP's identify branching points of the human family tree. When one has not been SNP-tested, however, one can sometimes make an educated guess as to which haplogroup one belongs to by judging the haplotype's similarity to those which have been SNP-tested and thus are known to be in a certain haplogroup. Our participants so far fall within two major haplogroups: All those in Groups 2, 3, and 4, together with A1, A33, A34, and A38 fall within haplogroup R1b1. One person in each group has been SNP-tested for P312/S116, a subclade of the old R1b1c. Additionally, one person in Group 4 has been SNP-tested for L21, which he has, so we know that everyone in Group 4 belongs to that subclade of P312/S116. I would very much like for one person in Group 2 and one person in Group 3 to be tested for L21, but I would like to wait until later in the year for that testing to be done. Sometime in 2009, the test for L21 will be included in deep-clade testing but right now it has to be ordered separately. We have one person in our project who belongs in a haplogroup other than R1b1; A32 falls within haplogroup E3a.

Haplogroup R1b1

The R1b haplogroup originated approximately 30,000 years ago, and it is the oldest and most common haplogroup in European populations. It is thought to have been concentrated in southern Europe during the last ice age and to have spread northward as the weather warmed up about 10,000 years ago. It is most prevalent in western Ireland, where nearly 100% of the population belongs to this haplogroup. Some of the subclades of this haplogroup can be identified with populations in Scotland or various parts of Ireland. Much study is going on in this area, but much more needs to be done.

Check out the Wikipedia article on R1b1b2 (formerly called R1b1c) and its subclades.

Haplogroup E3a

Haplogroup E3a is most prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa. It is believed to have originated in northern Africa and to have spread in the last three thousand years with the Bantu culture into central and southern Africa, bringing agriculture along with it. This page has information on some of the subclades of E3a.

How to Contact a Participant

  Just e-mail the administrator or e-mail the co-administrator, who will forward your message to the participant.

Pending Tests
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Useful Links
  DNA 101 This is a very basic start.
     
  Kerchner's Genetic Genealogy Info
 By the time you finish going through everything on this site, including the links, you'll know plenty.
     
  Genealogy-DNA Mailing List There is a great deal of traffic on this list, and much of it is by professional geneticists, genetic anthropologists, and very highly informed and motivated amateurs. When I first subscribed to the list, most of it was over my head, but little by little, I understood more and more.

Disclaimers
  We are just trying to facilitate the sharing of information, but we can't be certain our information is correct. We are trying to educate ourselves about genetic genealogy, which is still in its infancy and growing like a weed, but we aren't scientists and have no more information available to us than you have available to you, so it's up to you to verify independently anything you care about. The pedigrees we post for the participants in the project are their best understanding of their pedigrees, and may contain errors. There are controversies among Anglin researchers about some matters, and some conclusions have been made on the basis of circumstantial evidence when full documentary evidence is not available. In short, we do not warrant the accuracy of statements made on this web site, so verify them independently to your own satisfaction.