LUDDSHAR> Donald, to finish my frame of mind.  The Taylors in Liepsic would be
LUDDSHAR> my grandparents.  George Washington Taylor and Etta Huber.
.Bones> Hi Shar
LUDDSHAR> Bonnie, i was talking to Donald before my computer froze and had to 
reboot.
.Bones> me too... mine did the same thing
LUDDSHAR> I was telling him that I can't find anything on my Taylor, Huber 
and Yarger.
LUDDSHAR> of Putnam County, Ohio
LUDDSHAR> Bonnie: So, have you found anything interesting about your family 
research lately?
.Bones> actually with respect to the Ladd side it has been a relatively calm 
summer
LUDDSHAR> I found lots on Ludd's family.
.Bones> I was able to find articles around the death of a great uncle of 
mine.. Robert Ladd.  I think that was my grandest find this summer
.Donald> I hope I don't read about the death of Robert LADD for another 20 
years....
.Donald> That is my brother
LUDDSHAR> I didn't think I would find anything on his family:  The 
Bastian/Bastien and the Verboncouer.
.Bones> I am trying to see what I can learn about Paul Ladd.. son of 
Nathaniel Ladd & Mary Mercy Hall
.Donald> There are 2 Robert LADDs in Bellevue OH  and people get thm mixed 
also
.Donald> I hAve nothing on this Paul  either
.Bones> oh... the Robert Ladd I am referring to was born in Minnesota.. died 
in Roseau Cty in 1916 in a hunting accident
.Bones> Paul was my 4th ggrandfather.. married to Martha Folsom.. I believe 
he and his brother Dudley Ladd were twins
.Bones> that sounds great Shar..
LUDDSHAR> Yes.  They are French Canadians.
.Bones> Donald I would love to hook up with this Dean you mentioned..
.Bones> what branch of the New England Ladd's does he belong to?>
.Donald> DeanL12969@aol.com
.Bones> thanks!
.Bones> I wish we would have had more of the family join us tonight
.Donald> I thought they had enough advance notice
.Donald> Bernice, in Sunny SC sent her appologies
.Bones> yes I thought so too...  I see two people on my buddy list that are 
part of the New England Ladd's.. could be having trouble getting on
LUDDSHAR> I thought there was enought advance notice
.Bones> yes..  I saw it in the Digest over the weekend.. and last week
.Bones> my cousin Mary is having difficulty getting into Delphi.. says she is 
getting a "server busy" message
LUDDSHAR> So do I
.Bones> I understand Shar..  unfortunately not alot going on.  Must be having 
a very busy night on Delphi
** MARYELADD just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (4 members now) **
.Donald> I Mary E.LADD your cousin?  Bonnie.
.Bones> Yes she is Donald.. my first cousin... Hey Mary you made it!  :-)
LUDDSHAR> Hi Mary
MARYELADD> Well hello Donald. Bonnie made it once again.
.Donald> I was just about to say that Mary E. was on line,  Hello Mary!
.Bones> got her to come join our party  <GRIN>  Glad you did Mary
.Bones> her dad and my dad are brothers
.Donald> Mary are you going to help us with the David LADD of Maine question?
MARYELADD> I'm glad I was able too. I didn't realize there was a chat 
tonight. I am so out of sorts lately with the days.
.Donald> or are we all four going to be dummies on this one?
MARYELADD> What is the question? David of Maine?
.Bones> Donald who was David's father?  or... do you have a birth date for him
LUDDSHAR> Dummie #1
.Bones> I will say Dummy 2 here
MARYELADD> Hi Luddshar.
LUDDSHAR> Hello Mary
.Donald> then I make Dummy 3   sounds like a bridge game
.Bones> yes it does... LOL
.Bones> do we have a father's name or birthdate?
.Donald> I don't know how to play that either
MARYELADD> Was trying to get organized like Bonnie suggested. Haven't gotten 
very far.
LUDDSHAR> I don't think I will ever get organized.
LUDDSHAR> I'm trying to though.
.Donald> Join the club!  Organize  what is that?
MARYELADD> Yes, getting organized is a big project in itself.
LUDDSHAR> I don't know, been so long.
LUDDSHAR> Can't keep up.
.Donald> Bonnie  are you showing off?  saying that you are organized!
.Bones> no... not at all  LOL
.Donald> of the 4 of us  do we each have the Warren LADD book!
.Bones> I have a copy here..but it isn't mine
.Donald> mine is actually a microfilm copy and stays at the local LDSFHC in 
Lebanon
MARYELADD> I don't have a copy with me. My sister bought the book and it is 
with her.
LUDDSHAR> No
.Donald> so I can't refer to it very readily
.Donald> I goofed when I [hand] copied it  I didn't do the #s on the any 
'cept the Southern LADDs
LUDDSHAR> I have a copy of what is on the LDG.  I might be able to find it.
.Donald> (the #s on them  other than the Southern LADDS) is what i was trying 
to say
.Donald> The information on THE ldg IS VERY SPARCE IN REGARD TO THE wARREN 
ladd BOOK
LUDDSHAR> I know it isn't complete or even close.
.Donald> Caps! Donald, Caps!
MARYELADD> I didn't catch on with the numbers at first either. Live and 
learn. I am catching on slowly. Everyone seems to have a different system.
.Donald> as the book gets published off and on by the Genealogy Pub Co  it 
may still be under copyright
.Donald> Whenever I post  I use the #s that were assigned by Warren LADD  
that way I know wich William or Thomas or Amos  that I am referring to.
MARYELADD> How does David of Maine come in on the Daniel of MA line?
.Donald> Thomas Mifflin LADD's book  uses a whole different set of #s for the 
same people   WHY?  beats me!
.Donald> Diane  the person interested in David  doesn't know
.Donald> Davids parents
.Donald> so that is her "brick wall"
MARYELADD> Any system to help tell one Daniel from the other is a great help.
.Donald> it works until about 1875 or so  then there are no numbers on anyone
MARYELADD> On one of my mother's lines, I recieved info from someone that 
used a letter also to distinguish the different generations.
.Donald> that may work for her but since every one isn't using her system  it 
is not going to work for others
LUDDSHAR> And at one point, I have 69 generations.
MARYELADD> And how do you number the lines that aren't direct Ladds. Like a 
Butler branch for example. I believe they are not numbered in Warren Ladd's 
book. But how would you keep track?
.Bones> Mary they are numbered in the Warren Ladd book but it does get hard 
to follow sometimes
.Donald> even the # system that Warren uses isn't fool proof.  as there may 
be missing generations that didn't get entered in his book  so they appear 
later with no # at all
.Bones> also..those without info seemed to get lost in the numbering system 
too
.Donald> by appearing later, I mean they show up in public documents or 
Family records and were never reported to WL for entry in his book
.Bones> yes.. I have noticed that.
MARYELADD> Well it seemed she had say a W1 for one surname, first generation 
on up, Then I suppose for the next surname beginning with W you might put 
WH1, maybe for White, whomever.
MARYELADD> Are you getting the idea?
.Donald> this happens from the second generation on.  I guess that some were 
suspecious of data gatherers even then
.Bones> I was just checking thru the David Ladd's I have in my database.. 
most are from the Connecticut area.. I have two without locations
MARYELADD> Yes, I noticed this in the Warren Ladd book also.
.Donald> the Big Brother syndrome has always been a part of 'mans' mackup 
since day one!
.Bones> LOL  so true.. so very very true
.Donald> I only have 3 in my file, not counting Alan LADD's son  David
LUDDSHAR> That's not Alan Ladd the actor, is it?
MARYELADD> I was thinking of asking the same Luddshar
.Bones> I don't have anything on that part of the Ladd line at all
.Donald> but what I found odd1  Alan claimed to be of the Southern LADDs  so 
he thought.  I find a David, s/o David LADD & Hephzibah HAZEN married a Mary 
WALBRIDGE in
.Bones> Cheryl Ladd was married to David Ladd.. Alan Ladd's son
.Donald> Yes Alan the actor  of Hotsprings ARK
LUDDSHAR> Alan Ladd the actor is not a Ladd.  He was Polish.  Changes their 
name
LUDDSHAR> from Ladinowsky or Ladininsky.
.Bones> interesting..
LUDDSHAR> According to an Alminac.  I read it myself.
.Donald> His fathe was named LADD  He may have been the one to change his 
name   but it says he is of Irish decent  born in America
MARYELADD> Wasn't Alan Ladd's mother born in England?
.Donald> Yes  and she was a
LUDDSHAR> Sky is Polish.
.Donald> RALEIGH
MARYELADD> Yes, Bonnie Cherly was only a Ladd by marriage. She was born a 
Stoppermore, something like that. Alan Ladd had another son, Alan Ladd Jr was 
it. He is a producer.
.Bones> yes.. she married into the family
.Donald> anyway back to may train of thought ,  Walbridge was Alan's middle 
name   an unusual name to have as a Christian name   would'nt you think?
.Bones> yes it is
.Donald> Cheryl STOPPLEMORE   could you imagine her making it in Hollowood 
with that name?
.Bones> it would be a tuffy for sure
MARYELADD> That is why she kept Ladd. She has remarried since.
LUDDSHAR> She might have gotten away with More.
.Donald> Alan LADD Jr  finally made a name for himself  in the Production end 
of the movies
.Donald> His mother was Marjorie HARROLD
.Donald> while David and Alana had a different mother
MARYELADD> Alan Jr & David both have kids of their own that must be grown by 
now.
.Donald> Evelyn LEDERER
.Donald> aka:  Sue CAROL
.Donald> Alan Jr  has 3 daughters
MARYELADD> Donald how are you connected to these Ladds?
.Donald> I know only of one for David;  Jordan LADD
MARYELADD> It has been so long since I read his autobiography.
.Donald> not  unless he is a true LADD  and is of the Southern clan
.Donald> Alana  married Richard ANDERSON  I think that he is the same 
ANDERSON that was the 6 MILLION DOLLAR MAN's boss  and also play a police 
officer on the Perry Mason seriesN
.Bones> Mary... do we know how the name "Hazen" entered into our family?  One 
of the brothers to our 2nd ggrandfather Josiah was named Hazen
MARYELADD> No Bonnie, I'm afraid I have no clue.
.Bones> hmmm  It is this Hazen's son who is buried in the Mineral, Illinois 
cemetery with Josiah and Sarah
MARYELADD> Oh, what is the son's name?
.Bones> Edwin, he was 15 or 16 when he died.. from TB
.Bones> Hazen then moved out to California where he died
.Bones> from what I have heard he died at sea
MARYELADD> Did he have other children? Did his wife go to CA with him?
.Donald> Wouldn't you suspect there were more HAZEN families in New England 
at the time David married Hephzibah HAZEN  and since I have sketchy 
information on these families  the name Hazen may have been
.Donald> introduced as a Christian name as well as a surname!
.Bones> I have a picture of Hazen and his wife Sarah Pervier
.Bones> that is what I am thinking too... Hazen's parents were Josiah Ladd 
and Mary Polly Gale.. am wondering if the name Hazen came from her part of 
the family
.Bones> Mary.. I don't know if Sarah went with Hazen or not.. but I show that 
she died in Riley, Kansas
MARYELADD> Cool are you finding more and more photos?
MARYELADD> Have you found anything on the Gale line?
.Bones> not from the Ladd side.  I received the photos of Hazen and Sarah 
from Erma.  No.. I have nothing on the Gale line at all
MARYELADD> Have had a chance to dig there yet. LOL Did you get in contact 
with Shirely Ada?
.Bones> no... not yet.  Hazen & Sarah had five children, Helen, Frank, Hazen 
Churchill, Edwin and Jennie
.Donald> HJazen named a son Hazen Churchill LADD  he married in Keats, Riley 
Co KS to Mary Adeline UPTEGROVE  is that correct?
MARYELADD> I believe I have seen that info somewhere.
.Bones> yes... I was just going to mention that.. I suspect that his mother 
Sarah went to live with her son after her husband died
.Donald> I have Frank F.  & Edward D.  and Helen N.
.Bones> yes.. Frank F. and Edwin D..  Helen N.  and Jennie
.Donald> Hazen  C.  died 25 Oct 1903  Keats
.Bones> yes.. and I show that he and his wife had a daughter named Hattie
.Bones> I show that Hazen C. father Hazen died in San Francisco, Calif. in 
1863
.Donald> Mary UPTEGROVE  b.  22 Nov 1843 Brady  Kalamazoo Co MI  d.  18 Jun 
1915  Floral, Cowley Co KS
MARYELADD> Is this the one that fell off the golden gate bridge?
.Donald> then that should have made the headlines there in SF
.Bones> now that is a new one to me.. but could be.  What in the world would 
he have been doing there?  I heard he had died at sea.. that does sort of 
match up together
.Bones> yes Donald... I have the same info on Mary Uptegrove..  :-)
MARYELADD> Yes, I was wondering about this. Could he have been working on the 
bridge?
.Donald> then one of can go home   8^)
.Bones> possibly.. not sure when the bridge was being built    I guess so 
Donald.. LOL
.Donald> did you remember to LOG?
.Bones> yes I did..  <GRIN>
.Donald> good  cause mine got interrupted when I got bounced  I relogged when 
I came back
.Bones> Donald.. do you have any reference as to where your info on Hazen 
came from?
.Donald> some from the LADD book   Im' not sure if I caught some of your post 
and entered YOUR information  I usually add a e-mail address when I do that
.Bones> probably did come from what I sent you..
.Donald> no it was befor that
.Bones> hmmmmm... I know there has to be others out there from that part of 
the line..but have yet to find them
.Donald> Dean's cousin was doing NH LADDs  could be a connection there!
.Bones> I am going to give that a try.. would be wonderful if there is
.Bones> Our family came to Illinois in the 1850's
MARYELADD> Yes, my notes say that Hazen was lost off the golden gate bridge. 
Don't know how this occured. I think this was mentioned in the book.
.Donald> if every one would post a 3 gen chart [or mor] to the LDG  one might 
find those connections sooner
LUDDSHAR> Speaking of 3 generation chart.  I sent mine to Misty in May.  
Haven't seen it anywhere.
.Bones> I know.. I am trying to decide where I want to start my 3gen.. from 
Daniel to Paul probably..
.Donald> which of Josiah's children are you decended from?
LUDDSHAR> Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.
.Bones> Mine and Mary's line goes from Daniel, Nathaniel, Nathaniel, Paul, 
Josiah, Josiah, Josiah, Donald, and then our dads
.Bones> Donald & Glen
.Bones> did I get that right Mary?
.Bones> :-)
MARYELADD> Yes, you certainly did. :)
.Donald> I have a Dopnald Irving LADD of Sacremento CA  but his father came 
out of N.Dak
.Bones> I don't know if any of Hazen's children ever ended up in California
LUDDSHAR> There were some Ladds from benson Ladd that were in NC
LUDDSHAR> oops ND
.Donald> no no no  not Dopnald  it is Donald   you would think I could spell 
my own name
.Bones> lol
.Donald> this Donald's father was William F.  and mother Edna Josephine LOVETT
.Donald> no further information on Wm's parents
.Donald> Donald was born 17 Dec 1925
.Donald> some of Wm & Edna's children born in ND  and some in CA
.Bones> I checked my records for Edna Lovett.. have nothing on them
MARYELADD> Bonnie did you ever write to our three time cousin Mary-Jo?
LUDDSHAR> I'm not much help tonight, so I'll catch you all next time.
LUDDSHAR> bye
.Bones> no.. I haven't..  I know you sent me the email with her address but 
am not sure where I have it right now.  If you have it handy could you resend 
it?
.Bones> Bye Shar...
LUDDSHAR> - signed off -
.Donald> Your Nathaniel  is he Dr. Nathaniel Gould LADD of NH?
.Donald> as you might guess I don't have your chart handy  or I wouldn't be 
asking 'stupid' questions
.Bones> our second Nathaniel was a Millwright.. not sure what his father 
Nathaniel did for a trade
.Bones> that wasn't a stupid question..  :-)
MARYELADD> Mary-Jo's line is Daniel, Nathaniel, John, Nathaniel,John, 
William, John E. Sarah Kent Ladd Who ma. Amos Quimby Folsom.
.Bones> oh my.. so she comes at us from both directions then?  lol
.Donald> the mother was Catherine GILMAN?
MARYELADD> Yes, and we also have the Gilman line in common!
.Donald> I have 17 Nathaniels in file
.Bones> yes.. the first Nathaniel was married to Elizabeth Gilman.. their son 
Nathaniel, first wife was Catherine Gilman, then Rachel Rawlins, then Mary 
Mercy Hall.. we descend from Nathaniel and Mary Hall
MARYELADD> I will have to send you her address again. She is a very sweet 
lady.
.Bones> yes please do.. would love to get in touch with her
.Donald> ok  I got it now  I can go to his page
MARYELADD> I have told her about these chats and the listing. Will have to 
remind her again to sign up.
.Donald> reason I aske about Nathaniel Gould LADD hes son William Sargent 
LADD was quite prominant here in Oregon after 1852  died in 1893S
.Bones> Nathaniel and Mary had four children, Dudley, Mercy, Love and Paul.  
We descend from Paul.  Oh Ok... interesting
.Bones> I think you mentioned him before
.Donald> were Paul & Love LADD  twins?
.Donald> I have both with same dob
.Bones> yes they were
.Donald> I have Mary Mercy HALL as wife # 2  is that wrong?
.Donald> with Ratchel as #3
.Donald> Rachel
.Bones> Rachel is number 3.. was looking at my records wrong..
.Bones> Mary is number two.  Nathaniel and Rachel did not have any children 
as far as I know of
.Donald> I have none listed either
.Bones> I know that Nathaniel was not Mary's first husband either..but I do 
not have any info on her previous marriages
.Donald> ah  then there might be step children?
.Bones> wait.. I take that back.. her first husband was Dudley Hilton.. her 
father was Kingsley Hall
.Donald> Then is Dudley LADD really a LADD?
.Bones> you know.. that is an interesting question..  I guess I don't know.  
Nathaniel is a very kind man if he is
.Bones> he was born approx. 1710
.Donald> see I did not have her married before
.Bones> I have always shown her in my records as Mary Mercy Hall Hilton
.Donald> when was Nathaniel & Mary Mercy married?
.Bones> I believe so.. but I do not have a marriage date
.Bones> oh silly me... read the question.. LOL  I don't have their marriage 
date.  Do you Mary?
.Donald> LOL
.Donald> I have the last child of Nathaniel & Catherine GILMAN born 29 May 
1713  if Dudley LADD was born ca 1710  then he may welkl be a step child
MARYELADD> No I am here checking my notes. Yous keep beating me to the punch 
line.
.Bones> oh... I'm sorry..  <GRIN>  Yes.. I also show Catherine and Nathaniels 
last son, Josiah being born in 1713.  You have a very good point there Donald
.Donald> Paul & Love  b.  06 Mar 1719
MARYELADD> Nathaniel & Mary Mercy were ma. Bef. March 06, 1718/19
.Bones> I also show they had a daughter named Mercy but I have no dates for 
her
.Donald> no dob on Mary Mercy LADD d/o Nathaniel ?
MARYELADD> Paul & Love were b. on March 6, 1718/19
.Bones> no dates at all... dob or dod.. I do know they lived in Exeter, NH
.Donald> again  a step child?
.Bones> who... Mercy?  Not sure
.Donald> 1718/19 is the double date  means  1719 in our calendar
.Bones> yes..
.Donald> the by all counts, Dudley and Mary could be step children!!!!
MARYELADD> I have no b. for Mercy the dau. either only that she was b. in 
Exeter, NH.
.Bones> that is very possible that Dudley and Mercy could have been from her 
previous marriage.  Is worth checking it out
.Donald> hard to say  with 6 yeas between Josiah  and Paul/Love
.Donald> does NH have good public records from back then?
.Bones> I guess the first thing we need to do is determine their date of 
marriage
.Bones> I don't know.. I am really wanting to get out to New Hampshire and 
dig around.  Am hoping to do a summer trip next year
MARYELADD> Do we have any more info on Love Ladd? Did she marry?
.Donald> no census record then....only church records and family records?
.Donald> was Love a girl????
MARYELADD> Yes, Love seems to be female gender.
.Donald> I thought it was male as Love was a name brought down from a 
maternal side
.Bones> I have been keeping an eye on the New Hampshire genweb.. but they 
don't have much info there and I have yet to request anything in writing.  
Yes..  I have Love listed as a female also
.Donald> I will look it up again and get it to you two
.Bones> ok.. that would be great.  Looks like we have a mystery to solve Mary
MARYELADD> Yes, one more to add.
.Bones> marriage date for Nathaniel and Mary.  Birthdates for Mercy.. and 
also figure out the gender for Love
.Donald> I Love a Mystery  an old radio program  but you two wouldn't know 
about that
.Bones> oh.. have heard my dad and mom talk about it.. <GRIN>
.Donald> 8^(
.Bones> LOL... sorry  :-)
.Donald> LOL  just kidding
.Bones> I know you are..  :-)
.Donald> my daughter says I am just full of useless facts
.Bones> oh no... not at all!  I would say history
.Donald> Thank you!
.Bones> you are welcome!
MARYELADD> Yes, it has been interesting chatting with you Donald.
.Bones> I agree!  Always learn something new.  Well.. don't know about you 
two, but am ready to call it a night
MARYELADD> Yes, that sounds good. Got to get ready for tomorrow.
.Donald> do you have death date of Paul?
.Bones> 1783
MARYELADD> Paul d. Feb. 1783
.Donald> I have Feb 1783  taken from Patriot Index
.Bones> yes.. me too
.Bones> is the Patriot Index for those who fought in the Revolutionary War?
.Donald> I have DUDLEY as a surname too  do you have that too?
MARYELADD> Where is the Patriot index found?
.Bones> yes I do.. but don't remember right off where it falls in line
.Donald> I think it reads that they contributed to the war effort in another 
capicity
MARYELADD> Well Mary Mercy mother maiden name was Dudley, Elizabeth.
.Donald> because in Paul's case there is no rank given  says;  Patriotic 
Service  onl;y
.Bones> oh ok...  well Mary.. Looks like we have a direct line connection 
thru the Ladds for the DAR then..  our family has been using the Williams 
line to qualify
.Donald> only is what i added  not in the record  8^)
.Bones> that's interesting... very much so
MARYELADD> Yes, that is
.Bones> thanks Mary... I didn't have her mother's name
.Donald> Did I give you valuable information?  No charge!
MARYELADD> Really, your welcome. I better get here. Goodnight to you both!
.Donald> we are going to close shop too  been 3 hours +
.Bones> yes you did.  I have been trying to find our direct line of Ladds 
that participated in the Revolutionary war.  Both Mary and I are thinking of 
joining the DAR
MARYELADD> Thanks Donald, you have been a great help.
.Donald> you didn't have the Patriot's Index?
.Bones> Good night Mary...  yes... has been a long chat.. but I did enjoy it. 
Finally feel like a participant.  Thanks for the idea for New England Ladds 
Donald.  No I didn't have that..where did you find it
.Donald> it is a DAR publication
.Bones> ok...  will have to research that a bit.. thanks for the info
.Donald> lot of LADDs there
.Donald> mostly NEngland  some southern LADDs
.Bones> I would imagine so.. just haven't found our direct line of Ladd yet.  
We have used our direct line from Squire Williams to qualify..
.Donald> Do you have a SQUIRERS as a surname too?
.Bones> Squire Williams was the fourth great grandson to Roger Williams.. our 
2nd great grandmother Sarah Allen Patterson Ladd is a direct descendent of 
the Williams line.
MARYELADD> OK Thanks, gotta go. Later you two!
.Bones>  Ok.... see you later Mary
.Donald> Bye Mary  been fun
.Bones> say hi to your folks for me
MARYELADD> OK will do. Bye.
MARYELADD> - signed off -
.Bones> Well Donald... am gonna call it a night myself...  this has been fun.
.Donald> We might as well fold up the chairs  and I'll sweep up the cookie 
crumbs  while you turn out the lights
.Bones> sounds like a plan... thanks
.Donald> on second thought I'd better turn out the lights  I can't sweep in 
the dark
.Bones> have a good eve ok... will chat soon.  Ok... will wait with the 
lights..don't want you tripping over any of the chairs
.Donald> g'night Bonnie!
.Bones> g'nite Donald


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