Subj: LADD Genealogy Chat, Part One Date: 4/27/99 .Donald> The early Bird gets the worm! .Donald> Good Evening Ladd researchers! .Donald> Today we will discuss the 4 LADDs that came to America in the 17th Century! ** BONES95 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (2 members now) ** .Bones> Hi Donald! Where is everyone? .Donald> Hi Bonnie .Donald> Late, looks like .Bones> here I thought I was late.. :-) .Bones> had a wonderful time in Florida.. and was great meeting my new cousin .Donald> we are going to tell all we know on the first 4 LADDs that came to America in the 17 Century .Bones> I chatted with my cousin, Mary Ladd, last night..she wasn't sure if she was going to make the chat tonight or not! .Donald> My ? is this, What proof that Nathaniel was the father of Daniel (I)? .Bones> I have not seen any form of proof.. only a name on two or three family tree lines .Donald> some body thinks that that it is true! .Bones> in fact this year was the first I had seen it even listed ** JAYNOODLE just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (3 members now) ** .Janet> Hello Bonnie, Hello Donald! .Donald> I have a transcript from a John C. LADD [who told me that he took a trip to England for his research] that Daniels father died at sea before Daniel left for America prob ca 1630-32 .Bones> Hi Janet! How are you? .Janet> Hi, Good thank you! .Donald> Hello Janet .Bones> great! I thought that too Donald..that I saw a note in the Ladd Digest from a Larry Ladd that referenced that also .Donald> You bring all U know about the 4 LADDs with U? .Janet> Hi Donald. I had a little trouble logging on today. Evidently Delphi doesn't like it when I erase the cookies on my computer. .Donald> it was the crumbs that U left behind... .Janet> No, I didn't bring the Big 4 with me. I was expecting you to tell me who they are! .Donald> Well Bonnie and I are discussing Daniel's father at the moment .Janet> OK, I'll listen in... .Donald> We might already be done! .Bones> I think we are..lol .Donald> Bonnie, you remember the naming system that is supposed to have been followed in the early years? .Bones> not sure what you mean.. as far as for the sons and such? .Donald> Yes Bonnie! BULLOCK1904> the daughter usually had the middle name as the maiden name right? BULLOCK1904> or was it the sons? .Bones> sometimes the first son would carry the maiden name of their mother as a first name..sometimes they were named for their father or the mother's father .Donald> I don't remember that one .Janet> You see maiden names as middle names for both sons and daughters. .Bones> in my line it seems the first son usually carried the name of their father or grandfather..but a couple of them also had a form of the their mother's maiden name .Donald> Well, non of Daniels children carried either MOORE or SAYERS as a name .Donald> nor did the daughters get the name , Ann .Bones> Mine went.. Daniel, Nathaniel, Nathaniel, Paul, Josiah, Josiah, Josiah, Donald, Donald..then me .Donald> unles they died at birth and the name was never used again .Donald> Joseph, Daniel, Samuel, Nathanial and Ezekiel were the names of the sons in that order .Janet> Can I please have the first four Ladds that you are talking about--just for the record. _** DENISEDREW just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (5 members now) ** .Donald> Daniel of MA, .Janet> Hello Denise! .Donald> Joseph of RI .Donald> John of VA .Donald> John of NJ DENISEDREW> hello folks .Bones> Donald.. when did Thomas Mifflin Ladd come into the picture? .Bones> Hi Denise .Janet> So, if I think my family is from Virginia, I can assume they are descendants of John Ladd of VA? .Donald> TML was of the Southern LADDCLAN and was born in the late 1800s .Bones> oh....ok.. .Donald> the information in his book is all Southern related .Donald> Denise, Bonnie and I were discussing Daniels father.... DENISEDREW> And?? DENISEDREW> Daniel b.1615 father is Nathaniel?? DENISEDREW> I spent a few hours flipping through familysearch today. DENISEDREW> Lots of CT there DENISEDREW> Not much on English ones that I have come up with yet, have you all? .Janet> I haven't gone back to check it much since I can't get past Joseph of 1780 in Virginia. DENISEDREW> Did you find anything interesting there for yours. Sure is hard to get to!! .Janet> You mean the site is hard to get to?? DENISEDREW> yes, keeps saying that it is busy .Janet> I didn't have any trouble last time I checked. Must be part of the testing process...they say there will be times they'll be too busy. .Janet> I did notice that when I put in a spouse's name with my Ladd, I got a lot of unrelated suggested sites. DENISEDREW> Haven't tried that, I started with the A's and have only made it to Abner .Janet> Oh my... DENISEDREW> Oh course, my Canadian line is not there, sigh .Janet> You mean you're looking up all your Ladds one by one? DENISEDREW> No, but I have many that are not linked to parents so thought I would try finding them .Janet> Next project (other than working on the web page) will be a new grandson to be born soon. DENISEDREW> I have a Joseph Ladd b. 1820 married to a Francina Cook DENISEDREW> children William and Margret that i need parents .Janet> Looking for Joseph Ladd b. 1780 Virginia married a Hester about 1800. .Janet> That Joseph married to Francina Cook sounds familiar. Do you need information on him? DENISEDREW> yes, please, only have their names , no parents .Janet> Hmm...I'd have to look around and see what I have. I'll make a note to myself. .Bones> Oh.. by the way.. I got to drive thru Trygg & Christian Counties on my way to Florida.. was so excited to actually see where they are at .Janet> Denise was asking about Joseph Ladd who married Francina Cook. Either of you have anything on him? .Bones> I don't have anything for a Francina Cook.. sorry .Bones> I have a question for you all.. I saw a tidbit in the Digest about a Ladd birthday bash.. what is that about? .Janet> Bonnie, I'm not sure either. Give Donald a chance to catch up to the conversation and maybe he can tell us. .Bones> ok.. sounds like a plan .Janet> I think he's still looking for Joseph and Francina :-) _** BLKPANTHER2 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (5 members now) ** .BlackPanther> good evening DLLADD> Misty is planning a LADD List or LDG birthday bash to celebrate being on line 2 years in June I think it is DENISEDREW> Joseph b. 1820 DENISEDREW> William E and Margaret L where their children DENISEDREW> some of thier children made it to Peoria, IL .Janet> Hello BlackPanther. Are you researching the Ladd family? .Janet> So, Donald, is it an online Bash? .BlackPanther> lol well i married into the ladd family and am trying to research my parents family but i figured i'd come in here for a minute and see what's up in here .Bones> good family to marry into :-) .BlackPanther> lol .BlackPanther> thanks _** LUDDSHAR just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (6 members now) ** .BlackPanther> so where does everyone live .BlackPanther> i live in texas .Bones> I'm in Minnesota .Janet> Give us some specifics on your Ladds Black Panther. I'm in California. DENISEDREW> Yeh, welcome aboard!! DLLADD> Sorry Denise, my last Joseph in New Eng was born 1800 could be your joseph's father .BlackPanther> actually i don't know any .Janet> Hello Luddshar LUDDSHAR> Hello everyone, I've been trying for an hour to get on. DLLADD> Hi Sharon! DLLADD> Welcome .BlackPanther> not a good way to start huh? .BlackPanther> my mother in law was a schummacher .BlackPanther> and that's about all i know DENISEDREW> thanks anyway Donald .Janet> Sounds German BlackPanther. .BlackPanther> it is DLLADD> They spelled it SHOEMAKER in Ohio .Janet> BlackPanther, Is that the line you are researching> .BlackPanther> no it's not i just thought i'd stop in .BlackPanther> i really don't know that much about my husbands side of the family .Janet> Well, we are happy to have visitors. DLLADD> John Mansfield LADD mar. Phoebe SHOEMAKER .BlackPanther> :) well thank you .Bones> Denise.. I have a couple of Joseph's that were in Glasford and Lancaster, Illinois.. but not showing Peoria..or a wife by the name of Francina DENISEDREW> Hi Sharon, do you have any info on English Ladds? DLLADD> Janet, Denise, & Bonnie, meet Sharon a distant cousin of mine .Bones> Hi Sharon DLLADD> We stem from Ellison LADD DENISEDREW> Well, what's yours is ours!! LUDDSHAR> Denise, I am a descendant of Amos Ladd & Sarah Ann Miller. LUDDSHAR> Hi bones .Bones> you can call me Bonnie.. :-) DLLADD> Sharon's Amos and my Edward were brothers DLLADD> sons of Ellison .Janet> :-) Sharon, were you going to send me some Bertsch information so I could look it up for you?? DLLADD> The BERTSCH name is most deff. German LUDDSHAR> Janet, yes but I lost your e-mail address. DENISEDREW> Sharon, do you have a web page? DLLADD> janet can be found on the Ladd Directory LUDDSHAR> No I don't .Janet> That's right Donald! Nice way to plug your directory!! DLLADD> LOL DLLADD> U bet LUDDSHAR> Ok, I'll look there. DLLADD> when I get the 50 names upgraded every body should be easy to find LUDDSHAR> Do any of you have any proof that Thomas Ladd is the father of Ellison Ladd. I have his brother Jacob Ladd listed as DLLADD> Sharon only Janet has Virginia connection and like us is missing a generation or two LUDDSHAR> My dad always said that there was a Thomas Ladd, a descendant. Do you know all the names of Thomas's children. DENISEDREW> My line wandered into Canada and stayed there except for one who ventured to Florida LUDDSHAR> I was given to understand that the father always signed the tax for the son , the first year. The one who signed Ellisons taxes the first year was Jacob Ladd. DLLADD> Sharon first we have to pin point which Thomas DLLADD> as that became a popalar name later in the Southern LADD lines LUDDSHAR> Donald, Thomas Ladd the son of William Ladd & Ursula Ellyson. His brother is Jacob of which was another son of William & Ursula LUDDSHAR> Donald, This Thomas married Ann Ellyson DLLADD> Jacob, b. ca 1740 mar. Elizabeth'unknown' ca 1760 , at least 2 children Anna & Sarah DLLADD> could Silvia been 2nd wife? DLLADD> Ann ELLYSON was neice to Judith & Ursulah, daughter of Thomas LUDDSHAR> Can't get to it that fast, but I'll check it later. DLLADD> no children listed in warren LADD book printed 1890 DLLADD> either never were children or non were reported to interviewer LUDDSHAR> Then Jacob would be the likely father of Ellyson? DLLADD> U'd think that if there were that they would have been included as Thomas & Ann mar. 1761 DLLADD> Jacob and James were neither listed in the LADD book as married DLLADD> These are the 3 canidates for being Ellison's father DLLADD> James may have taken up bounty land in the Northwest Terr. as he bore arms in the War of Ind. DLLADD> But the Ladd book also skipped a generation to pick up James LADD in Bourbon Co KY that marr. Eliszbeth "Betsey" HARDWICK in 1805 DLLADD> no parents were listed for this James DLLADD> James, Millie & Robert of Bourbon Co. KY are good canidates to be siblings of Ellison DLLADD> Ellison stood in as surity for Millie DLLADD> I have a little information on all 4 of the LADDs not really an expert on any of them DLLADD> just keep collecting info DLLADD> Only from Ellison thru Edward etc the branch that Sharon has had been ellusive to me till I met Sharon, and Barbara and others DLLADD> Oh the ELLYSON line yes I had started collecting on them when I saw there was a LADD connection DLLADD> like Robert Gerrard ELLYSON's parents etc LUDDSHAR> Donald, the Binfords & Crews are ours too. _** KYLADDS just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (6 members now) ** KYLADDS> Hello????? .Janet> Yeah! Hello Misty. .Bones> Hi Misty! DLLADD> They are the ones that get confusing...so many with the same name marring LADDs LUDDSHAR> Hi Misty KYLADDS> This thing has turned complicated!!! KYLADDS> I know everyone except for Luddshar KYLADDS> I everyone LUDDSHAR> Even first cousins married. .Janet> Luddshar is Sharon, a cousin to Donald (he gets them all!) DLLADD> I Ur self DENISEDREW> If that is the case, Donald, who is the spouse of Anthony Binford, DENISEDREW> [father of Huldah] b. abt 1762 in Charles City VA KYLADDS> So Donald, are we all cousins to the first 4 Ladd's???? DLLADD> I said the BINFORDS & CREWS are more difficult to sort out DLLADD> moreso than the ELLYSONS & the L:ADDs KYLADDS> I have found Ladd's in 6 of the lines I research! .Janet> Six different lines and they all have Ladds? Wow. DLLADD> is that Huldah that married William LADD (I)? DENISEDREW> yes please DLLADD> then the date cant be 11762 DENISEDREW> opps, 1642 so sorry... DLLADD> course it can't be 11762 how bout 1762? DLLADD> They never gave Anthony's wife's name DENISEDREW> oh well, thanks anyway, DLLADD> maybe she was dead by the time Huldah married .Janet> Now, wait...I have something on William Ladd of Charles City, Virginia, son of William Ladd and Huldah Binford. Is that who you are talking about? DLLADD> no William (I) and Huldah, Huldah's father was Anthony BINFORD DLLADD> at first I believe he was in the Henrico Parrish, Henrico Co? then to Mecklenburg Co later .Janet> Is William Ladd b. 1679 who married HUldah Binford, William I ? DLLADD> seem that this may have been in the or near to the same location as the county boundries were shifting in those days DLLADD> Yes that is Wm (I) DLLADD> William (II) married Ursulah ELLYSON .Janet> OK, I have some information from One Ladd's Family. Is that of any help or am I like 95 cents short of a dollar here! DLLADD> But we were to discuss the first 4 LADDs not their children LOL DLLADD> that is the KLINE book right? .Janet> Just when I get caught up you jump ship! I don't know but she seemed knowledgeable and careful--I haven't checked her sources as it's not my line--yet. .Janet> OK--so do we go to the first four Ladds then? I know NOTHING about them! DLLADD> Here is one I want to track down: DLLADD> History of the LADDs and decendents of DLLADD> Mordica LADD 1915 DLLADD> compiled by Earl C.L VAN WERT .Bones> where did you find him Donald? DLLADD> US LC DENISEDREW> new one for me!! DLLADD> call # CL71.L154 .Janet> [OK Denise] DLLADD> or 16-2609 DLLADD> I don't under stand # like that .Bones> me too.. any clue to which line he is from? .Janet> # could be the LCCN number = Library of Congress something or other. DLLADD> that USLC = Library of Congress DLLADD> then there is the "Ancestral Chart of George Edgar LADD 1919 CL71.L154 21.12153 DLLADD> then we have "Genealogical record of Samuel Greenleaf LADD and Coroline deOLIVER-VINAL by Horatio Oliver LADD 24p 1927 CS71.L154 28-699 DLLADD> Then it says check these: DLLADD> CORLISS-1875; DLLADD> DAMERON-1953; DLLADD> HOWELL 1897; KYLADDS> That is the leaflet I keep promising to put up DLLADD> CORLISS is New England family DLLADD> rest are Virginia families DLLADD> Then Denise might find this one of interest: DLLADD> LADD family of Piscataquis, Maine DLLADD> by Marilyn E. GARRITY 1974 DENISEDREW> do you have this line Donald?? DLLADD> no I just go along for the ride Wheeeee DENISEDREW> should have known{:0] _** TANDY1 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (6 members now) ** .Janet> Hi Tandy DENISEDREW> Hello, Tandy DLLADD> I don't hink ther is much in the HOWELL & RUGGLES data as I was given the RUGGLES info by a descendent here in Oregon TANDY1> Hello. What's been happening here? KYLADDS> Evening Tandy!! _** POVERTY1 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (6 members now) ** DLLADD> Hi Estelle DLLADD> glad you could make it .Janet> Hello Estelle! POVERTY1> Hi all. From Vermont. Estelle. A long name. .Bones> Hi Estelle.. Bonnie from Minnesota here.. nice to meet you! POVERTY1> R we talking about N Eng. ladds? DLLADD> Estelle Bonnie is of New England branch .Bones> we've been talking about several of the branches.. mostly Virginia Ladds tho DLLADD> We started talking bout Daniel's father DLLADD> everone seems to think his name was Nathanial DLLADD> but none of Daniels sons carried that name .Bones> Daniel has a son named Nathaniel.. that is my line.. DENISEDREW> Donald:popped over to familysearch DENISEDREW> There is: DENISEDREW> 1. Mordica Ladd born 1824 [ancestral file] DENISEDREW> 2.new kent co land tax 1782 DENISEDREW> 3.Marshall surname page DENISEDREW> Thats all folks DLLADD> sorry Bonnie I meant to say that Nathaniel is Daniels 4th son not 1-2-or 3 .Bones> oh.. ok.. whew..had me worried there for a minute.. thought I lost my line.. DLLADD> no I lost my mind DENISEDREW> Not so, Daniel had a son by the name of Nathaniel b.1651 .Bones> Joseph, his first son, could have been named for Daniel's brother.. POVERTY1> I'd like to find out if Amanda is IN my line! DLLADD> Estelle is your line NH, VT and ME? POVERTY1> Thus far, NH, mostly VT. No ME that I know of. DLLADD> the Joseph LADD of RI line or the Daniel of MA line? POVERTY1> R U asking me? Daniel. DLLADD> "The Rhode Island line is a very good line" POVERTY1> R U talking RR's ? or genealogy? DLLADD> Joseph and Daniel are purported to be brothers DLLADD> LOL got carried away I get on the RR chat sometine and forgot wheere I was!@!!! DLLADD> Joseph sailed on the Hurcules after Daniel sailed on the Mary & John same year 1634 DENISEDREW> Johephs name appears in the will of john Anthony DLLADD> Joseph not mention in records till 1648 in RI deed DLLADD> or is that a will? DENISEDREW> yes, Joseph has to stay behind to milk the cows... DLLADD> Some say Daniel sailed with a wife...any thing on that? .Bones> the passenger lists I have seen only list Daniel POVERTY1> My concern is what happened to Ruth Ladd (1786) after her husband Samuel Smith died six 6years aftr their marriage. Who are her children? I want very much for Amanda, B. 1810 Newbury VT to be one POVERTY1> child...Any ideas? DLLADD> she would not have had to swear to allegience as Daniel did .Bones> but there were other women listed.. why would they leave her off if he had a wife? DLLADD> Your right Bonnie I read that same list and see no wife connection. DLLADD> Also John C LADD's book mentions that Daniel, being a seaman himself aided the crew on the M&J on its passage to the New World .Bones> the marriage date I show for Daniel and Ann was 1640.. but I do not have that verified DLLADD> Joseph is not mentioned as accompaning Daniel and the WARD party to Sallisbury or was it Haverhill? DENISEDREW> what was the maiden name of Joanna who married Joseph? DLLADD> You all know who David Mocollough <sp> is He narrates some PBS things... DLLADD> He was on the CNN channel the one that has the congress on with no comercials .Bones> I am trying to remember who told this to me.. but somewhere in my notes I have it is said that Joseph stayed behind to sail on the Hercules to help with the livestock and such.. DLLADD> any way he pronounced Haverhill as DLLADD> Hav-rill I been saying Haver-hill what do I know I'm not NE stock TANDY1> - signed off - .Bones> I show that Daniel settled in Ipswich, Massachussetts on February 5, 1637. He lived there until October 29, 1639 when he moved to Sailsbury, later he moved to Haverhill, Massachussetts. DLLADD> I posted that Bonnie from John C. LADD's book POVERTY1> 'Round here we say Hav-rill, allso Jaf-ree! .Bones> yes.. I do remember you posting it..but there is another individual who recently contacted me too.. he is researching into England and had the same info DENISEDREW> I believe that was in NEH register volume 9 page 267 DLLADD> Thanks Estelle I like that better any way DLLADD> what is NEH register? DENISEDREW> New England Historical Genealogy Society DLLADD> Estell I have 2 charts sent to me by New England researchers both different line back to Daniel I will look through them and see if there is any help ther for you DLLADD> e the attach that wherever needed POVERTY1> Thanks Donald. T'would be a big help to confirm. BTW I'm off tomorrow to Haverhill NH for research... DLLADD> Doesn't anybody research the Connecticut LADDs DLLADD> ? DENISEDREW> name please POVERTY1> I suspect it's 'cause NH & VT are easier and in my case closer at hand. :-) DLLADD> right off hand I can't do that but I saw some in the pension file DENISEDREW> the ones I have seem to be coming from David and Mary Waters DLLADD> Does NH and VT have good records? MA seems to have any way Hav-rill did I found this book at the library on Vital record of Haverhill MA POVERTY1> Who is the author of the VR of Haverhill MA ? DLLADD> that is where I got most of my New England info I haven't copied the Warren LADD book for the Nwe England branchesS DLLADD> I didn't copy down that info DLLADD> it had several volumns POVERTY1> I think I have pages copied from that book(s) all Ladd's. DLLADD> I know which library it was though DLLADD> yes most all LADDs at least the part I checked POVERTY1> Funny how we all seem to zero in on Ladds... DLLADD> The NY LADD researchers have the dilemma of having to sort out which LADD branch went where. DLLADD> Some came down from New England some up from Virginia and some came on from the NJ LADDs .Bones> yes I have Ladd's in New York.. but they actually moved there from Minnesota in the 30's DLLADD> 18 or 19 320s? .Bones> 1930's DLLADD> 30s? POVERTY1> Isn't that interesting they'd migrate during the depression east ! DLLADD> Wer they part of the Wisconsin LADDs? .Bones> I thought so.. part of the family still lives in Lockport.. although one son now lives in New Jersey and one moved to Florida DLLADD> my Mountain William accent jumps in there every once in a while! .Bones> no.. it was one of my grandfather's brothers.. their family moved to Minnesota from Illinois in the 1880's DLLADD> I have posted about Cyrus LADD and Appleton Wisc. that went back to NY in 1860s .Bones> Josiah & Lillian Ladd.. lived in Mineral Twnshp, Illinois..moved to Matawan, MN in the 1880's .Bones> it was their son Benjamin Forrest Ladd who moved to New York .Bones> and it was Benjamin's grandson, Jerry Ladd, that I found in Florida POVERTY1> I feel accomplished, having gotten IN to the Ladd Chat. It's been fun. If you have time, give some thought to my query please. G'bye all. .Bones> bye Estelle DLLADD> nite Estelle POVERTY1> - signed off - DLLADD> I felt a little out of it when Larry got back from England and started to tell us all about he LADDs DLLADD> I would like to get information first hand like that .Bones> that would be an exciting trip.. I am hoping to get out East sometime soon..that would be a real trip for me DLLADD> where to Bonnie? DLLADD> every thing is east from Janet and I .Bones> New Hampshire and Mass. I have letters here written by my great uncle Benjamin that references the Ladd homestead..Ladd Hill and so on.. DLLADD> William Sargent LADD of Portland OR was from NH DLLADD> his father was a Nathaniel .Bones> alot of the names you have mentioned tonight I do recognize and have seen but am not sure where they all fit for me DLLADD> Nathaniel Gould LADD DLLADD> and Abigail Kelly MEAD was mom DLLADD> Wm S. LADD's children some returned to NY in late 1800 or early 1900s .Bones> my great great grandfather..Josiah W. Ladd was born in Gilmonton, NH..his wife Sarah Allen Patterson in Glouchester, Rhode Island DLLADD> Nathaniel Gould's parents were James LADD and Elizabeth GOULD DLLADD> is that Josiah Warren LADD? .Bones> I have a Dolly Ella Gould married to a Thomas Ladd.. but no Elizabeth Gould. Yes.. the second Josiah Warren Ladd DLLADD> 26 Feb 1808? .Bones> yes.. that's him .Bones> he and Sarah are on Denise's web page.. :-) DLLADD> Josiah parents: DLLADD> Paul LADD & Martha FOLSUM? .Bones> Josiah Ladd & Mary Polly Gale DLLADD> Josiah (I) that is .Bones> Paul Ladd & Martha Folsom were the parents to the first Josiah..married to Mary Gale The conversation was interrupted then and shortly after that the chat was over. Hope to have you join us next time! Janet
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