>.Janet> Ladd Genealogy Chat, July 27, 1999. Our Topic: Ladd Migration Routes/Patterns >** KYLADDS just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (2 members now) ** >.Janet> Hi Misty! >** LUDDSHAR just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (3 members now) ** >LUDDSHAR> Hello everyone >.Janet> Hello Sharon! >KYLADDS> Hi!!! Misty here. >KYLADDS> Where do you live Sharon? >LUDDSHAR> I live in Avon, South Dakota, about 55 miles from Mitchel. >LUDDSHAR> In the south east corner of the state. >KYLADDS> That is one of the states that I'm not very familar with >LUDDSHAR> I was born in Hammond, Indiana. >.Janet> Sharon, tell us your Ladd migration pattern and get us started. >LUDDSHAR> I am of the Virginia Ladds. >LUDDSHAR> Same as Donald. >KYLADDS> My Ransome was born in SC, then he shows up in Wayne Co., Mo. But he ties in with the Trigg Co Ky Ladd's as well. >LUDDSHAR> I have been tracing backwards into the Gerrard line and found that presidents John Tyler and George Washington are of the Gerrards too. >KYLADDS> He is a dilly to trace!! >.Janet> Well, I go back to Virginia as well. I just read that Kentucky was part of Virginia until it was admitted to the union. >.Janet> I might have known that and forgot! >LUDDSHAR> Well, from Virginia to Kentucky to Ohio. >.Janet> Sharon, Gerrard is the last name? I've seen it as a first name too. >LUDDSHAR> Yes Gerrard is the last name. >.Janet> Mine went Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, Arkansas as far as I know. >** BERNICEH1 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (4 members now) ** >.Janet> Hi Berniece >.Bee> Hi everyone >KYLADDS> Hi >.Bee> This is my first time, I'm not sure what I'm doing. >LUDDSHAR> Hello Bee >.Janet> Bee, where does your earliest ancestor come from? Just type and send...you'll catch on. We were all new once. >KYLADDS> There has been some pretty interesting stuff coming over the mailing list! >.Bee> You know me by Bernice, that Bee kind of got stuck in. Daniel 1615 oldest known. >.Janet> Ah, Bernice in sunny and hot South Carolina?? >.Bee> 100 today >.Janet> How nice to have you join us. Misty is KYLADD'S, she runs the Ladd Digging Grounds. Sharon is here too--she has Ladds in Ohio and is related to Donald's line--is that right Sharon??? >LUDDSHAR> That's right. >.Bee> My gr grandf went to OH from NH. I wonder if he had kin there. >.Janet> It seems that lots of people went from the north and the south into Ohio. >.Bee> That must have been a stopping off place to go elsewhere. >LUDDSHAR> Misty, has any one ever found the ship that my John Ladd came over in? >.Janet> Some were in Ohio for the land and then eventually went on. >.Janet> Sharon, give us the specifics on your John Ladd so it will be included in the chat log. >LUDDSHAR> OK. >.Janet> While we're waiting for Sharon...There are good books on migration patterns that can give you clues as to where your ancestors came from--where they settled, what year, makes a difference. >** OLIS54 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (5 members now) ** >.Bee> John Ladd was a good name. My grandf and brother are John Ladd's. >KYLADDS> Janet, I have all the Ladd deaths in IL if you need any. I noticed you researching Il some >.Janet> Hi Olis54! >.Janet> Misty, actually I just keep accidentally finding information from there. My Ladds weren't in Illinois as far as I know. >OLIS54> Hi, Janet!! Didn't I talk to you once-or twice today? :O) >.Janet> Well, I think so! :-) >KYLADDS> I keep sending off for death cirtificates. You can get 2 at a time FREE from IL >.Janet> Wow! >KYLADDS> I should have you email for a couple and maybe we can get them all >OLIS54> Inez will be joining you all in my place, may I present the backbone of our sector of the Ladd geneology search....meet Inez >KYLADDS> The last one I got, his home was in Michigan but he died in Il. >.Janet> Hi Inez! Are you both staying, or are we losing Lois? >KYLADDS> Hi Inez >.Janet> Misty, that's not a bad idea. You can order them by email? >.Janet> Inez, how do you fit in the picture? Are you two related?? >LUDDSHAR> Hi Inez >OLIS54> Lois is babysitting while I read in. >KYLADDS> Yes, I was just looking for the address. >OLIS54> Yes we are sisters >.Janet> How fun! Which Ladd line do you two come from--refresh our memories please. >LUDDSHAR> My immigrant John Ladd was born abt. 1620 in England d. 8 2 1680 in Curles, Henrico co, Va. >LUDDSHAR> He immigrtated about 1650-51 to Charles City County, Virginia. >LUDDSHAR> His sponser was Williuam Diltye. He was a land owner in 1653. His wives were: >LUDDSHAR> Bathsheba lovett b. england d. 1672. There children were hulda and Amos 7 the other wife was mary ? >OLIS54> Daniel Ladd from England >OLIS54> Our Ladds went from Mass. to N .Y. to Illinois to Minn. to Ore. >.Janet> Inez/Lois yours stayed north didn't they! >KYLADDS> why can't I copy and paste anymore?? >.Janet> Misty, try using control-c and control-v >OLIS54> our Ladd names from Daniel:Ezekiel,Nathaniel,Ezekiel,William,Thomas,John,Augustus,Levi to Hugo our dad >KYLADDS> Hugo...hmmmmmm family name??? >OLIS54> Hugo was middle name--James Hugo was full name >KYLADDS> Did Hugo come from a surname somewhere along the way?? >OLIS54> nope >.Janet> I'm so impressed with those of you who go back so far! >OLIS54> My thanks go to Warren Ladd who wrote the book >.Janet> Sometimes names came from best friends, or neighbors. >KYLADDS> Early Virginia Immigrants >KYLADDS> Ladd, Jon., 1653 by Wm. Diltye, Charles City Co. >KYLADDS> William Dittye, 203 acs. Chas. City Co., 7 Oct. 1653 p. 2. Lying at >KYLADDS> the head of his own land which he bought of James Warrandine, commonly called >KYLADDS> by the name High Peak, on the S. side of Baylis Cr. running S. by E. by Mr. >KYLADDS> Jon George, his land, etc. Trans. of 4 pers. Wm. Ditty, Jon. Ladd, Law >KYLADDS> Biggens, >KYLADDS> Mary Pratt. >KYLADDS> Note: Lower Norfolk was created in 1637 from New Norfolk which was >KYLADDS> created >KYLADDS> from Elizabeth City in 1636. Lower Norfolk was changed to Chesapeak >KYLADDS> City in >KYLADDS> 1963. See city of Lynhanven south of Virginia Beech. This is from of Charles's notes >.Janet> LOL - Ah, you managed to get the cut and paste working! >.Janet> For Berniece LOL=Laughing Out Loud >KYLADDS> yep, but gosh it is choppy! >OLIS54> I have known Ladd of Ohio for a few years >OLIS54> I send him all the southern Ladds >OLIS54> He sends me all the northern stuff >.Janet> Are any of you AOL tonight? Donald just can not get in! I have him sending me messages through AOL IM. >KYLADDS> Well I need to study my own Ladd's they are getting lost in my memory these days >OLIS54> you may direct any Northern Ladd stuff to Olis email >KYLADDS> I used to could pop off names and dates, but not anymore >.Bee> I'm on AOL >OLIS54> Iam on aol >.Janet> Well, it's not AOL then, thanks. >** SNOWDIE just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (6 members now) ** >.Janet> Hello Laverne!! >SNOWDIE> Hi, this is Laverne , "Snowdie" >KYLADDS> Hi Laverne! Someone from my line!!! >LUDDSHAR> Hi Laverne >KYLADDS> KYLADDS=Misty >SNOWDIE> My line is through Ransom--some think Kentucky, but I don't know. >OLIS54> I am looking for my g-grandfathers lst wife's name. She died after having a baby.They lived in Buffalo or Polo Illinios in Ogle Co. >OLIS54> The baby died also >.Janet> Sharon, Berniece, Lois and Inez, meet Laverne--one of our most knowledgable researchers. >SNOWDIE> Are we talking about routes west? >OLIS54> Augustus was his name and he left Illinios and went to Iowa >.Bee> My grandf was John Augustus. Was that a popular Ladd name? >SNOWDIE> thanks. I don't know if I meet that standard! It's been an intertesting last 20 years. >OLIS54> Lois says hi also >LUDDSHAR> John was very popular as well as Thomas & William. >.Janet> Laverne, Olis54 is really Lois and her sister Inez who is doing the typing. >.Janet> Laverne, our paths have crossed a couple of times in the last 20 years. I've been at this for 26 or so now. >OLIS54> guess what Augustus had bro. named Thomas and William. also John Augustus was his brother >KYLADDS> Really Janet??? That long???? >SNOWDIE> Hi, all. that's a neat arrangement. Amos was another common Ladd name. >KYLADDS> Laverne do you know Ladds who live in Haiti Mo who does genealogy?? >.Janet> I think Augustus was lucky to have a different name than Thomas, William or John. >.Janet> Yes, Misty, that long. >OLIS54> Amos was very popular southern name >LUDDSHAR> You're right, I forgot the Amos name. >SNOWDIE> Sorry I,m so late, Had to figure out how to reset this piece of junk from Java to HTML! >KYLADDS> LOL!!!!! >.Janet> We all love our computers, but sometimes! I think Donald is ready to throw his out the window tonight! >LUDDSHAR> Misty, did you get the 3 generation list that I sent you? >.Janet> Now, Amos, I think I have in my line! >.Janet> Well, one of them. >OLIS54> If any one has queries on any Ladd's from Duanesburgh,Schn. co. New York send them to me-my william Ladd was the first settler there. >SNOWDIE> No, Misty. I don't know thje Haiti Ladds. I do know that there were several other Ladds living in S.E. Mo besides ours and the Billiger Co. bunch. >OLIS54> Lots of descendants >.Janet> Inez, do you watch some of the postings on the Delphi site? Seems that there has been some NY Ladds on there. >OLIS54> He came from Mass. lived there till he died buried there >.Bee> I think my Ladd's were the only ones that went to SW MO >OLIS54> Yes have been in touch with several people >OLIS54> in fact one is my cousin from Minnesota Ladd's >.Janet> OK >SNOWDIE> Bee, which is your Ladd line? >.Bee> Daniel 1615 >.Janet> Lois, Inez...here's a direct quote from Donald. Tell Lois that after all the "good advice" I gave her on getting in to Chat, I can't do it myself. Some PC expert I am!" >OLIS54> Augustus lived in Luverne, Minn and moved to Aitkin, Minn to homestead >OLIS54> Poor Donald!!! At least he got me in... >OLIS54> My William Ladd from New York had a son Thomas and he moved to Bovina N.Y. and lived there til he died >OLIS54> Thomas had a son John who moved to Ill in 1855 with his two youngest sons. They lived there for a few yrs then went to Traer, Tama co, Iowa. >SNOWDIE> Some years ago, Ray and I travelled from S.C. to Arkansas via one of the state roads >OLIS54> John had a son Augustus (my g-grandfather) who moved to Luverne, Minn. >OLIS54> Augustus had a son Levi who lived in Aitkin, Minn. Levi had a son James Hugo Ladd who was my dad >OLIS54> does anyone know what drew people to Ill in the 1850's? >OLIS54> good and cheap land? >.Bee> My dad told me his grandfather went west because of the gold rush. But he was born in 1844 >OLIS54> no gold in Ill... >.Bee> I have a theory. The wagon broke down. >OLIS54> Civil War was 1860 no land grants till after the war >.Janet> There were different gold rushes. Alaska 1898, Colorado earlier than that. >.Janet> LOL - they gave warrants for land from the Rev War too. >OLIS54> one of Augustus's bro went to Cal for the gold rush >.Janet> I posted the 1850 California census index once--Ladds only of course. Is that on the LDG Misty? >OLIS54> rev war was 1776 they moved there in 1855 >.Janet> Some moved out of Illinois too--maybe they left a spot for yours Inez. :-) >OLIS54> I saw a Ladd history in Weaverville, Ca can't remember his name >OLIS54> went for the rush and stayed >OLIS54> have copy at my house >.Janet> From the Red Book: "Migration from Illinois was also significant and should not be overlooked by the genealogist. Kansas and Nebraska were the eventual homes of many ILlinois settlers. The gold rush to Califonria, the wagon trains of the Oregon Trail, and the open prairies of Iowa all tempted the populace of Illinois to venture further west." >OLIS54> My people only stayed in Illinios for a few years must not have stayed for anythng great >OLIS54> went to Iowa like many others >OLIS54> they stayed and prospered >.Bee> My gr grandf picked up his bride in IA before going to MO >OLIS54> beautiful place Iowa but don't like the weather >OLIS54> my g-granddad got his second bride in Iowa also then went to Minn for the timber >.Janet> Christopher Ladd left Indiana for Iowa early, before 1850. He's not mine either, but I learned a little about him in "The Search!" >OLIS54> my father and grandfather and g-grandfather were in timber industry >OLIS54> anyone seen the Weed name from Indianna my Augustus' bride was Mary Ruth Weed >.Janet> Not me >LUDDSHAR> Not me >** BOBBYSFMTR just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (7 members now) ** >LUDDSHAR> Hello >OLIS54> I guess there were no weeds in Indiana..har har har >.Janet> Hello Bobby, are you researching the Ladd family? >.Bee> Hello >OLIS54> Hello >BOBBYSFMTR> Yes and I've never done this before >BOBBYSFMTR> The line I'm researching is Elisha Ladd >OLIS54> Neither have I >.Bee> Neither have I >LUDDSHAR> Which Elisha? >OLIS54> is Elisha a northern Ladd? >.Janet> Join the crowd Bobby, we're happy to have you! >.Bee> There are a lot of Elisha Ladd's >LUDDSHAR> Who did he marry, etc. >OLIS54> What's his wife's name? >BOBBYSFMTR> Mine is from Trigg Co. KY >.Janet> LOL - See the interest in Elisha!!! >OLIS54> great minds think alike Luddshar >BOBBYSFMTR> He married Oneida Goode Cox >.Janet> Bobby, that's another familiar name to some. >SNOWDIE> This Elisha was the executor of Benj. Ladd, Sr's will. >BOBBYSFMTR> That's the one >OLIS54> Have I seen this Oneida Goode Cox name on the genforum? >BOBBYSFMTR> Probably >.Janet> Oneida Goode Cox--I've seen it somewhere too. On the mailing list? >BOBBYSFMTR> Yes >SNOWDIE> Some think that Elisha was a son of Benj. But I think that he was a brother. >LUDDSHAR> I have an Oneida Goode married to Elisha Ladd. She was b. 1815 in Caldwell Co., KY and d. 3 30 1853 in Trigg Co., KY >BOBBYSFMTR> I've never been able to prove who his father is >LUDDSHAR> She had another husband by the name of Charlie B. Cox >OLIS54> no death cert. for Elisha? >LUDDSHAR> I have children listed. >SNOWDIE> The reason is based on a note written on the side of one of Benj legal documents. It said "delivered to his brother" or something like that. I have a copy of it here >BOBBYSFMTR> I just found a record of his death on a microfilm that said he died in 1854 from lung congestion >BOBBYSFMTR> I have Benj will too >SNOWDIE> Elisha was married three times. >OLIS54> no listing of his father? >BOBBYSFMTR> No >OLIS54> no cemetery records or do you know where buried? >BOBBYSFMTR> No >BOBBYSFMTR> I have his children by Onieda and that's all >BOBBYSFMTR> Do you know if he had children by his first wife? >OLIS54> any obits for any of the kids might list the lineage >SNOWDIE> Elisha was the name of one of Francis Ladd's sons also. Francis and wife, Tabitha Cato moved to Wayne Co. MO about 1829. I think that Francis was a brother of Benj. sr and Elisha. >BOBBYSFMTR> Does anyone know where Benj was born >OLIS54> nope >BOBBYSFMTR> Was he born in VA? >SNOWDIE> He was listed in Lancaster Co. S.C on the 1790 census. He fought in the Rev. War and was given a pension in 1792. This stuff I found in Columbia S.C. archives. >LUDDSHAR> I have his father listed as Benjamin Ladd who was b. abt. 1735 in Va. d. Jan 1827 in Carroll Co., Tennessee. >OLIS54> anyone want info out of book by Ruth Ladd Kline let me know I have a copy and it has many Virginia Ladd's >LUDDSHAR> Benjamin was married to Sarah F. ? >.Janet> Donald is giving up! He said to say Hello and Goodbye. ( Bonnie has a Cato site that includes Ladd information. >OLIS54> I have not checked it for your Benj. and Elisha >LUDDSHAR> Had two children by Elizabeth Johnson, none by Sally Wallis and some by the other wife. >OLIS54> will check the edit version of this chat and use it to check the index for you >BOBBYSFMTR> Benj did die in Carroll TN. >.Bee> Bye, see you folks later, it's close to bedtime in SC >.Janet> Glad you were here Berniece! B4N=Bye for Now. >SNOWDIE> I would be interested in the Cato web page. Have an address? >.Bee> - signed off - >.Janet> Laverne, I can't find it, I was looking...I'll add it to the chat log. [Here's that URL http://www.webkeeper.com/cato/c.html ] >OLIS54> If i find info about Benj. and Elisha i will get in touch next chat >BOBBYSFMTR> Thanks I didn't mean to change the subject >.Janet> Or post it to the mailing list Inez. Then we don't have to wait two weeks! :-) >SNOWDIE> Thanks. There is a Cato list similar to the Ladd mailing list that I belong to. I feel that our Ransom is related to the Catos because his name is a Cato name. >.Janet> I'll be sure to include it Laverne. NO problem Bobby...we tend to talk over and around each other during a chat. >BOBBYSFMTR> It's all new to me >.Janet> This is the ONLY chat I do--I learned here. >BOBBYSFMTR> Did I stop the conversation about migration trails? >.Janet> It's good for the brain cells too. Trying to keep several conversations straight. >SNOWDIE> Me too. >BOBBYSFMTR> What brain cells;-) >SNOWDIE> I don't think we ever got into the migration trails! >.Janet> We try to have a topic, but we'll talk anything concerning Ladds. >OLIS54> There is a Mary and a Joanna Ransom in the Warren Ladd book any relation? >.Janet> Well, we decided they all moved from here to there. :-) >BOBBYSFMTR> that sounds good to me >BOBBYSFMTR> which one came to Va from Pa >SNOWDIE> However, there was one major trail from New England to the Carolinas and Ga. It was called the King's Highway--this was in colonial times. >.Janet> And there was the National Road, 1840-1850. >OLIS54> ok i will ask what is the National road >SNOWDIE> Then there was the Wilderness Trail that went up through Ky. as well as the route across TN mentioned earlier. >BOBBYSFMTR> I'm glad someone did >.Janet> Looks like it went from Maryland to Terre Haute, Indiana >.Janet> Canals and rivers pictured in also... >SNOWDIE> After the Erie Canal was constructed, lots of people moved west via the water ways and flat boats. >BOBBYSFMTR> are you looking at a map >.Janet> I have an "Atlas of American History" by Rand McNally--very handy. >.Janet> It's always a good idea to check the history and geography of the places your ancestors were--it can give you clues to their origin and travels onward. >SNOWDIE> I think that the Ky Ladds who went to MO went north on the Mississippi and entered Mo throught Cape Girardeau. That was the main entry point to Mo in the 1820s. >.Janet> Bobby, I remember very little, have to have it in front of me! >BOBBYSFMTR> I hated history in school now I love it because of genealogy >LUDDSHAR> Same here >.Janet> Figure this out for me. I have an ancestor who was a FARMER but between 1850 and 1860 he had a child every two years, in a different state! >LUDDSHAR> A traveling salesman? >SNOWDIE> I've learned more about history through genealogy than I ever learned in school. >SNOWDIE> Some years ago, we tried to trace a route that the Carolina Ladds may have taken to the west. We drove the width of TN along the lower tier of the state. Every county there had their county seat located on that two lane road. >OLIS54> Well must get ready to sign off if you have any quieries about Ladd's from the Northeast send them my way.... great sitting in on this chat...too bad Donald missed it!!! >BOBBYSFMTR> They did do a lot of traveling, not having a car >OLIS54> goodbye >.Janet> OK Inez, good to have you both. >OLIS54> - signed off - >.Janet> I agree about genealogy and geography, cartography, demography, etc. You can learn a LOT! >BOBBYSFMTR> I have trouble remembering it all and keeping it straight as to who goes with what >SNOWDIE> Think I'll say good night too. It's been fun chatting with all of you, but it's almost 10 o'clock in Michigan. Time to get ready for bed. >.Janet> Great to have you Laverne! >SNOWDIE> - signed off - >.Janet> I'm afraid I may have to call it quits soon too. Meeting a friend in a bit--sun is still up in California! >BOBBYSFMTR> well I guess its about that time I've enjoyed it--catch you next time >.Janet> Great to have you too Bobby--and I can't remember anything!!! It's all on paper. >BOBBYSFMTR> I know what you mean >.Janet> And the papers are a mess! :-) >BOBBYSFMTR> by the way I have a Ladd cousin in CA >.Janet> OH? Where? >BOBBYSFMTR> She lives in Pismo Beach >.Janet> Hmmm...probably not related to me. Too bad! >BOBBYSFMTR> Well it's been fun >.Janet> See you in two weeks Bobby! >KYLADDS> The sun has been down long ago here but it is still HOT!!! >BOBBYSFMTR> Ok by for now >.Janet> The more the merrier! >KYLADDS> Bye!! >.Janet> Bye :-) >BOBBYSFMTR> - signed off - >KYLADDS> Just us 3 now. And I'm messing up so I guess I'll sign off >KYLADDS> - signed off - >.Janet> Sharon, I'm running between the computer, the stove, and dinner! I need to go too. >LUDDSHAR> Bye >.Janet> Catch you next time! >LUDDSHAR> - signed off - >/EXIT >>>>Because Donald could not get into the chat, I suggested he add our off-the-chat comments below... LaddofOhio: What were the Virginia "counties" that were ceded to create Kentucky in 1792? LaddofOhio: or was it just an area? Jaynoodle: I think it was an area--consisting of what Kentucky is now. Some of KY was claimed by NY too. LaddofOhio: as Virginia went to the Mississippi and north through the great Northwest Territories all of this was ceded at one time or another to create Kentucky and the Ohio Territory Jaynoodle: Yes LaddofOhio: Was it NY or PA cause PA got several of the Virginia counties and they were renamed LaddofOhio: Those early LADD people in Kentucky may have been there in Virginia and the next day they were in Kentucky 8^) LaddofOhio: That is why the records are so sketchy Jaynoodle: That's what I'm wondering. But that would put them away from the coast where many were. LaddofOhio: But Gerrard and his family moved to Ohio in 1808 and some even before that LaddofOhio: I don't have my books handy now, but the unmarried LADD, Amos I think that left a will in Ohio leaving property to his brothers children, namely Anna Marie and her brother? Anna Marie married Charles MINGE LaddofOhio: a lot of our line from Ellison went into Michigan IN, ILL and maybe beyond LaddofOhio: As Mary, METHAZ, is a distant cousin and lives in Washington State as does Barbara JENSON, Sharon another cuzz, lives in SD so it is probable that a lot went on west during the Great Depression This is all I have for this chat log........Janet May have more. You are our 1792 visitor -- thanks for stopping by! Mount Pinos Webspinners -- Friday, 04-Aug-2000 09:01:32 MDT