I apologize if you get this twice but my first try didn't arrive. It might have been too long. Edited Ladd Genealogy Chat Log from January 5, 1999 in two parts. DLLADD> I would like to discuss the LADDs that married in Bourbon Co. KY ca 1804/1809 DLLADD> Elizabeth LADD married 24 May 1804 to Charles WOLCOTT/WOLCUTT DLLADD> Elison/Ellison LADD marr. 29 Jun 1804 to Millie RYLY/RYLEY/RIELLY DLLADD> James LADD married 20 May 1805 to Elizabeth "Betsy" HARDWICK DLLADD> Robert G LADD married 23 Oct 1809 to Polly HAMMER dau of John HAMMER DLLADD> Eliz: Vol 2 pg 15; Ellison: Vol 2 pg 17 & Robert G: Vol 2 pg 51 no Vol, pg for James ** KECE just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (2 members now) ** DLLADD> John; do you know of 'Ludd' and Sharon BERTSCH? DLLADD> & Charles & Doratha GRAY? DLLADD> They are distant'cousins' DLLADD> That is the Ladies are! DLLADD> both were LADDs as I understand it DLLADD> and then there is Barbara LADD-JENSON, descendent of Amos DLLADD> son of Ellison; brother to Edward Sr. ** SISTER2 just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (3 members now) ** DLLADD> I was going to ask him to go to the FtWayne library and look for the book by Ruth KLINE-LADD DLLADD> it has some information it there, but I don't know from who's line SISTER2> Whats going on? DLLADD> Seem to be the Virginia line but which branch is what I should have said DLLADD> Hi charles. SISTER2> Hi Don - I saw something about Ruth Ladd. DLLADD> yes, the book that Janet mentioned some chats back SISTER2> I guess I missed that chat. I use to write to Ruth a long time ago. DLLADD> is she the Ruth KLINE-LADD? SISTER2> The last time that I heard from her she and her husband was moving to a rest home in Wisc. DLLADD> how long ago was that? SISTER2> That must have been about 10 years ago. DLLADD> Uh huh!! possibly they may have passed on then? SISTER2> I tried to buy one of her books but she wouldn't sell me one but she sent me the info out of it. SISTER2> She said that she was keeping them for her immediate family. DLLADD> Janet said that Ruth had authored a book that had LADD info in it DLLADD> amounting to a little over 10 pages in all in her entire book SISTER2> Yes she had done a lot of research and at the time was the authority on the Ladd family. DLLADD> I was just telling John that a copy of the book is at the Ft Wayne library SISTER2> If I remember correct she connected to the Amos Line of Ladds. SISTER2> Or rather her husband did. DLLADD> Amos... with so many you have to be aware of the conversation to pinpoint which Amos...right? SISTER2> No I call the VA Ladds the Amos Line and the William Line. >From the sons who were half bro. of John Ladd the Immigrant. DLLADD> Janet said she married Hubley??? or a name like that SISTER2> Hold on a minute and I will try to get the family group sheet. DLLADD> The Ohio line that are descendents of 'our' Amos also refer to the Amos line.. DLLADD> good thing I am up on these different families...not as far up as you though SISTER2> She married Chauncey Ladd. SISTER2> Ruth and her husband were both b. in 1904. ** JAYNOODLE just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (4 members now) ** SISTER2> what is john working on. .Janet> What have you been talking about? DLLADD> a little about Ruth KLINE-LADD SISTER2> She was living in Naperville IL in 1986. DLLADD> that is a number of years ago and how old was she at that time, Charles? SISTER2> well according to my calc she must have been 82 then. SISTER2> I told Don earlier that the last letter that I got from her she and her husband was moving to Wisc. to a Rest Home. .kece> Hey Donald, have you talked to Rosie to see if she can join in on the chat sometime DLLADD> Charles to change your name type: /NAME Charles it won't show until you type the next line DLLADD> No John I haven't talked to Rosie in some time .Charles> Did it work? DLLADD> Yes good boy .Janet> So, do you all have Ruth's book? DLLADD> Not me .Charles> I think that I do somewhere in that pile over there. .Janet> LOL My friend/Ladd relative has it and I think I copied off some correspondence between her and Ruth too. .Charles> I know that she sent me a lot of info. DLLADD> I was telling Charles, and John, that there is a copy at the Allen Co Lib in Ft Wayne IN .kece> I will have to mention it to her the next time, when she writes, or is the meeting still going to be on Tuesday nights .Janet> John, I think we're going to try to stay on Tuesday nights but we may have to shuffle them a bit. Watch the mailing list for info. .Charles> I was talking to Ed Ladd of Union City, TN the other day and he got a copy of the Thomas Miffin Ladd book from his daughter or son or some relation. .Charles> He got it just recently while he was in Charles City, Co., VA. .Janet> Sam mentioned in his postings that it was available somewhere--reprinted I'm sure. Did Ed get an original? .Charles> Yes he did. I hope he realizes what he has got. That's a real find. DLLADD> I would think that most libraries & book stores in VA would have it if it is still in print DLLADD> and seem Sam said it was .Janet> Wow! Lucky Ed! Hey, No one answered my question about "Graduation" on the land records. Any ideas? .Charles> Ed said that he asked to buy one and was told that none were available. DLLADD> Stumped me too .Charles> what about the land records? .Janet> When Constantine bought or got land in 1860, it said in the remarks of the land records file, Graduation. .Janet> Does that mean it was passed down to him maybe?? .Charles> Thats a new one on me. .Janet> I can't find the answer in anything I have. .Janet> Maybe I'll need to contact the Bureau of Land Management. .Janet> Ready for another question? .Janet> I'll give you another chance... .Janet> On the 1860 census of Polk County (from your notes Charles), you say that Milly Ladd, the widow of John Ladd, Joseph Ladd's son, was living with Philadelphian Boyle and his wife Hester. .Janet> Polk County, Arkansas... .Janet> How old is this Hester? DLLADD> definition 5: an arrangement or classification into grades according to amount, size, quality, etc...does this muddy the waters further??? .Janet> Maybe land was divided among heirs??? DLLADD> sounds good, Janet .Janet> Hmm...wonder if there's a document for that! .Janet> I haven't done very well sending for land documents. Usually what I get is a repeat of what was in and index or list somewhere else. Never anything new. .Janet> I'll check the land location and see if it is part of land that Joseph Ladd had at one time. He transferred land to Milly Ladd about 1855. .Charles> Hester the d/o John Ladd was b. ca. 1838 DLLADD> probably the meat of the document was excerpted on to the index, etc .Janet> Oh, that's the Hester that's married to Philadelphian? .Janet> Charles, I wanted to make sure it wasn't Hester, the widow of Joseph, remarried. .Charles> No it was granddaughter. .Janet> OK, I figured you would have picked up on that. .Janet> I think I figured out that the John A. Ladd married to Felicia is a cousin to my Isaac Ladd because Miles and Constantine were brothers. .Janet> John A. Ladd was a grandson of Miles. DLLADD> does John A have a middle name or just the initial? .Charles> Yes I think that Miles and Constantine were brothers. .Charles> Can't prove it though. .Janet> Charles? Middle name for John A.? I just like to see the connection for sure between Con and Miles. .Janet> Con and Miles could have been cousins and that would throw me way off. .Charles> I don't have a middle name for John A. .Janet> Yep, we're stuck with A. for John then. .Charles> Did John A. have a son Abraham? .Janet> You're asking me?? #:-) DLLADD> I don't have a John A. in my files... .Janet> These are some of those Arkansas Ladds Donald! DLLADD> which I have none in my file...they are almost invisible .Charles> Miles had a son Abraham. Bet Johns middle name was that. .Janet> Charles, I'll look in these great notes someone sent me! DLLADD> I have one only: Abraham no parents...of Trigg Co KY .Charles> Abraham Ladd the s/o Miles would have been an uncle to John A. DLLADD> 1850 census...no wife ...6 children .Janet> I don't see John A. Ladd on the 1910 census info you sent me Charles but I was looking quickly. That name came from Rachel Stow's line I bet. (Abraham) ** DENISEDREW just joined "Ladd Genealogy" (5 members now) ** .Janet> Hi Denise!!! DLLADD> Hi Denise .Charles> Yes Abraham probably did. Want to look at the Stows' in Christian Co., KY. I think that is where Richard Stow came from - Richard was father of Rachel. DLLADD> Denise, we are kicking around some of Janets' queries .Janet> Have to keep them on their toes! DLLADD> so far we have a failing score... DLLADD> excuse me Charles is still hanging in there .Janet> Charles, OK, takes a while for the brain to work--my grandma said that Little John and wife Felicia moved to Muleshoe, Texas. They had one boy named Earl Ladd. This was in the 1960's I think. She .Janet> said John A. was dead then. DLLADD> only the one child? .Charles> Yes you told me about Earl Ladd. They lived in a little town north of Durant, OK ( my hometown) for awhile before they moved on to Muleshoe. .Janet> That's in the same written info that says her father (Isaac Ladd) had cousins Ladds: Long John, Black John, Big John, Short John and Little John. Little John was the only one she identified! .Charles> I talked to a woman from Durant who went to school with them. .Charles> Did you know about Charles B. Ladd of this family who moved to Bennington, OK? .kece> Well.............I need to get going, got to get around and go to work, thanks for the info. I will try and stop back next week DENISEDREW> HI Folks, just popped in to wish you all a good year. DENISEDREW> Can I change the subject for a minute please!! DENISEDREW> I have a question for Donald. Several people have told me that DENISEDREW> my Ann Sayers Moore is incorrect and I promised them to ask tonight. DENISEDREW> So, one more time, is it Ann Sayers or DENISEDREW> Ann Moore daughter of John Moore and Elizabeth Rice that married DENISEDREW> our first Daniel??? DLLADD> 2 weeks John .Janet> Bye John! Have a good night! .kece> Bye, bye DLLADD> Denise I had just Sayers for the longest time....then MOORE poped up .kece> - signed off - DLLADD> SAYERS was the name of the Master of the Mary & John that brought Daniel over I thought that she was his kin DLLADD> then sombody suggested that Ann was married before Daniel DENISEDREW> Yes, that's what they are saying too, but, where did the Moore come in?? DLLADD> so was her name SAYERS-MOORE or MOORE-SAYERS or neither? DLLADD> Charles do you have anything on the NEW ENGLAND LADDs? .Charles> No only whats in the book of Warren Ladd. DENISEDREW> Another question while we are scratching our heads, DENISEDREW> Any one know anything on this Ladd?? DENISEDREW> GAMALIEL, son of 3d William Drew, m. Abigail Elwell of Honolulu, and DENISEDREW> had Joanna, m. Newton Ladd. DENISEDREW> He m., 2d, 1854, Nancy Holmes of Plymout .Janet> Was it Jim Christain who posted something about a Ladd in Hawaii? DLLADD> Yes Janet .Charles> I remember seeing that name (Gamaliel) before. DLLADD> it's a Bible name, Charles .Janet> John Edward LADD, christened 2 Oct 1853 in Hawaii. Father was John Ladd. .Janet> It was on the LDS Vital Records disk. .Charles> Yea ole Gamaliel was a pretty smart dude. .Charles> He was Paul's teacher. DLLADD> Newton could have been a brother to John of Hawaii as the dates don't allow for the John Edward children if any .Janet> Would have to be some relation if both in Hawaii in 1850's! DLLADD> I will check with my source in Cottage Grove...Oregon...the one I go to when stumped on the New England LADDs DLLADD> she is the one working on your Nathaniel .Charles> Denise - Are you working on a particular line of New England Ladds? DENISEDREW> Thanks for the offer to check for me DENISEDREW> Yes, I am trying to fill in the blanks that take me back from DENISEDREW> ZOROASTER* our great grandfather .Charles> I see. .Charles> Is the Hawaii Ladds part of them? DENISEDREW> Charles, I'm glad you see, sometimes I think the brick wall gets higher and higher the longer I look DENISEDREW> Don't know if he is. I was filling in the blanks on my Drew line .Charles> You got to keep on chipping at it till it falls down. DENISEDREW> and do not like loose ends DENISEDREW> this is what I have on her DLLADD> Warren LADD book has no last name for Ann... DENISEDREW> Individual Summary - Jan 5 1999 DENISEDREW> ---------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- DENISEDREW> Name: ANN SAYERS MOORE DENISEDREW> Sex: Female DENISEDREW> Father: John MOORE (abt 1600-1673) DENISEDREW> Mother: Elizabeth RICE (abt 1604-) DENISEDREW> Individual Facts DENISEDREW> Birth 1619 in England DENISEDREW> Death Feb 10 1694 in Haverhill, Essex Co, Massachusetts, USA (age 75) DENISEDREW> Marriages/Children DENISEDREW> 1. DANIEL LADD DENISEDREW> Marriage 1639 in Salisbury, Essex, Massachusetts, USA (age 20) DENISEDREW> Children ELIZABETH LADD (Dec 11 1640-) DENISEDREW> DANIEL LADD (Jul 1642 or Sep 26 1642-Aug 4 1728) DENISEDREW> LYDIA LADD (Jun 8 1645-Aug 14 1699) DENISEDREW> MARY LADD (Feb 14 1646-1690) DENISEDREW> SAMUEL LADD (Nov 1 1649-Feb 22 1697/98) DENISEDREW> NATHANIEL* LADD (Mar 10 1651-Aug 11 1691) DENISEDREW> EZEKIEL LADD (Sep 16 1654-Jul 3 1741) DENISEDREW> SARAH LADD (Nov 4 1657-) DENISEDREW> Notes DENISEDREW> Birth1,2: DENISEDREW> Death1,2: PAGE: Haverhill, 2:435 DENISEDREW> Early Vital Records of Massachusetts to about 1850 DENISEDREW> PUBLICATION: Search Research Publishing Corporation, Wheat Ridge CO, 1998, Type II CD DENISEDREW> General3,4,5: DENISEDREW> Sources DENISEDREW> 1. internet contact. DENISEDREW> 2. Drew Family Genealogy,prepared by Lyman A. May of Standstead, Quebec,1986. DENISEDREW> Also by the daughters of E. May Ladd; Vivian, Doris and Florence Drew. DENISEDREW> An on going research by family members and interested parties. DENISEDREW> 3. LaddofOhio@aol.com DENISEDREW> Donald L. LADD, Scio, Oregon, DENISEDREW> 97374-9555. DENISEDREW> 4. FDShade@aol.com. DENISEDREW> 5. From: DENISEDREW> Bill Prokasy DENISEDREW> http://www.gendex.com/users/wprokasy/prokasy/gedhtml/html/surnames.htm l. DLLADD> same for other LADD wives in the N England lines .Charles> check your mail. I just sent a family group sheet for Ruth Kline Ladd to the Ladd Discussion List. DLLADD> I tried to find the Boyke Manor on the web - the closest thing that I could find was the village of Elham. Nice place. DLLADD> Below is the link that has a picture of Elham. DLLADD> http://www.digiserve.com/peter/elham.htm .Janet> Denise, do you have different Ladd stuff on your web site than Misty does? DENISEDREW> yes, I do, mine is based on the Ladds from New England and Canada DENISEDREW> Have a new url though DENISEDREW> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4103/index.htm DENISEDREW> the owners of easynet was charging me mega bucks for you all to visit me DENISEDREW> Tripled my cost and then had the nerve to ask why I was changing suppliers DENISEDREW> Thats why the web page is now at Geocities. Don't like the adds but at least its free DENISEDREW> I have to have several different pages on the go because of space restrictions DENISEDREW> but it is fun!! The rest of the chat was a lesson in copy and paste that Donald mastered but Janet was totally unable to figure out! I'll spare you the details as it was a long and painful lesson! Also left out of this abbreviated chat log was a lot of fun banter between all of us that you miss when you don't join us! Everyone welcome, experienced at chatting or not! Hope to see you at the next chat on January 19th, 4:00 PST. I believe our guest host is Carl Ladd! Janet #:-)