came on the South Carolina Five Ships? -- From Donegal
to Butler, PA circa 1790.
--Who came on the South Carolina Five Ships?
-- From Donegal to Butler, PA circa 1790.
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Why "Scotch" Irish?
The list and this website refer to the Presbyterians who came to the United States from Ulster between the years of 1718 and 1820 as the "Scotch-Irish" because the Scotch Irish Society has indicated that this is the proper name WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. Outside of the United States, these people are known as Ulster Scots. Americans who correspond with or visit other countries should take note of the difference and adjust their terminology to avoid possible offense….though the objection to the term "Scotch" is a modern affectation. Queen Elizabeth I used the term "Scotch-Irish" and "Scotch" is found through Scottish literature. We refuse to fight about it. If you don't like the term, don't use it.. If you still want to argue, contact the Scotch Irish Society of America.
For any of the questions below, you can find a lot more information on the Internet.
I need to learn more about the Scotch Irish who came to the American colonies. Rd The Scotch Irish Immigration of the 1700's to America
I don't know much about Scotland. History of Scotland
!!!!!!What does the term "Black Irish" mean !!!! For all who have wondered about this….(Please don't ask us….We're tired of it)
Post your queries HERE. Lots of cousins in Ulster will find your queries.
Cyndi's list of genealogy site Check here A LOT.
I'm new to research in the UK. Where do I learn more? www.genuki.org.uk for more info click here.
I don't know where there's a LDS Family History Center . See this website. It also has the catalog and IGI on line.
Global Gateway to Northern Ireland's genealogy pages
Where do I find shiplists for 1720?
The short answer is…comprehensive ship lists have never existed before 1820. That's the year the US government passed a law requiring them. The British government did not have a law requiring the documentation of emigrants -- though various lists DO EXIST and you should check them. But they are not comprehensive. The early lists are almost always published. Cyndi's List is always the first place to look for links to on line ship lists on the Internet. After that you search Filby and so on. Filby is the first place to go. See this link for more help.
Does the Mac mean anything? Not much that is genealogically helpful. It is a patronymic -- meaning it indicates the name of the father. The name following the Mac or Mc is the father's name. Since until 1700 Scots Gaelic and Ulster Gaelic were the same tongue -- then they were different enough to be called separate dialects -- Gaelic is a shared heritage. Both Scots and Irish surnames originated as patronymic. Only the Irish use the O' which originated as Ui.
Here is good article on the topic of Scots and Irish surnames.
Questions Related to Researching in the British Isles
How do I get started? More detailed instructions and links. www.genuki.org.uk is THE MOST IMPORTANT spot.
Do you have an address for a British maritime museum? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/#MilitaryHistory
Does anyone know why Dutch families emigrated to Ireland, and when? Yes, William, Prince of Orange, was offered the throne of the three kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland in 1688 . He was married to the daughter of King James. This was essentially a coup that displaced King James, who was a Roman Catholic. They fought in Ireland. King William won at the Boyne and then Augrim. His army included many Dutch (Orange) soldiers and many of his subjects settled in Ireland. Though some settled before that in the early 1600's including a Belfast merchant family surnamed THOMSON.
What are Covenantors? For more info see the article on Covenantors. Here are some links: Brian Orr's Website. His older articles are here. The Reformed Presbyterian Church has a history here. This website has a list of early ministers and some on line biographies.. This is the homepage: http://www.covenanter.org/
How do I find my ancestor who came from Scotland? Many early Scottish emigrants have been published. You find a library that has these books and look up your ancestor in them. Its important to note where the author extracted the names so you don't waste your time looking there. He may have reviewed government records to identify indentured servants or displaced highlanders. If you must buy them, you can later donate them to a library, possibly for a tax deduction. This website has many listed. It has Dobson's directories of Scottish Settlers.
Some early Irish emigrants have also been documented: EMIGRANTS FROM IRELAND TO AMERICA, 1735-1743:Transcription of the Report of the Irish House of Commons into Enforced Emigration to America. By Frances McDonnell. 142p. 1992. $18.50 This could be the key to your stymied Irish research! Includes newly-discovered lists of 2,000 vagabonds and felons transported 1735-1743.
Scotch Irish Mail List -- This one. Know of others? Let us know.
; Confused about Northern Ireland?
So are most people. If you are trying to understand the point of view of Ulster Scots in Ulster today or your ancestors here are some websites. If you are planning a visit, then you had best pay some attention. No, you probably won't be killed for being offensive or just plain idiotic, but you will get a lot less cooperation from people if you are not somewhat attuned to Northern Ireland. NOTE: inclusion of a website here does not imply agreement with the views purported. Only "Unionist" links occur below. The Scotch Irish or Ulster Scots are historically Protestant and British in orientation. (Many individuals are not). Search the internet for the keyword "Irish" for opposing views.
What's the Orange Order? From the Orangemen themselves. Note: since the Orange Order was founded in 1795, by which time most of the Scotch Irish had already come to America, most of our ancestors were not Orangemen. However they may well have been involved in various secret agrarian (and sectarian) societies in Ireland in the 18th century like the Hearts of Oak. Oh and the United Irishmen.
Interesting stories about Ulster Scots in Ireland.
This website has good history, maps, and books.
Planning a trip over? Here's some links that might help.
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