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Vol II File 22: The Paternal Ancestry of Homer Beers James
33. Plantaganet Line, Thomas of Brotherton (Earl of Norfolk and Earl Marshal) to Margaret Plantaganet (Duchess of Norfolk)
34. Quincy Line (Earls of Winchester)
1. Thomas Plantaganet of Brotherton,
Earl of Norfolk, was the eldest son of King Edward I., by his
2nd marriage with Margaret of France. See the ancestral lineage
elsewhere. He was born June 1, 1300 at Brotherton in Yorkshire.
Before he was thirteen years of age he was advanced by special
charter of his half brother King Edward II. (at the dying request
of Edward I.), dated December 16, 1312, to all the honors which
Roger de Bigod, sometime Earl of Norfolk, and Marshal of England
did enjoy by the name of earl, and in co. Norfolk, with all the
castles, manors, and lands, which the said Roger possessed in
England, Ireland, and Wales, which had become vested in the crown,
by the surrender of the said Roger. But in some years afterward,
the king seized upon the marshalship in the Court of King's Bench,
because the Earl of Norfolk had failed to substitute some person
on his behalf, to attend the justices of that court, upon their
journey into Lancastershire; he had, however, restitution of the
high office, upon paying a fine of 100 pounds. This prince was
repeatedly in the wars Scotland, in the time of Edward II. and
Edward III., in the latter of which reigns he had confirmation
of the Earldom of Norfolk, and the office of earl marshal. He
married (1) Alice Halys,
daughter of Roger Halys,
by whom he had the following children:
1. Margaret Plantaganet. See below.
2. Alice Plantaganet, married Edward de
Montacute. They had a daughter, Joan Montacute, who married William
Ufford, Earl of Suffolk.
Thomas married (2) Mary, daughter of William
de Roos, Lord Roos, and widow of William Braose. They had a son,
John, who became a monk at the Abbey of Ely. Thomas of Brotherton
died in August 1338.
2. Margaret Plantaganet of Norfolk
was created Duchess of Norfolk for life, by King Richard II, on
September 29, 1397. She married (1) John Segrave, Lord Segrave, and they had two daughters as
1. Anne Segrave, Abbess of Barking.
2. Elizabeth Segrave. See
The Duchess of Norfolk married (2) William Manny, Knight of the
Garter, and had an only surviving daughter, Anne Manny, who married
John Hastings, Earl of Pembroke.
3. Elizabeth Segrave
married John de Mowbray, from
this marriage descend the Berkeley and the Howard families.
See the continuation of this lineage in the Mowbray Line.
Ref: Wurts, pp. 112-114.
Ref: Cokayne, Vol. XII, pg. 745-754.
There is a large discrepancy in this
section see Robert. married Hawise. Some fundamental duplication.
1. Saire de Quincy I., Senior had a
grant from the crown, of the manor of Bushby, co. Northampton,
formerly the property of Anseleme de Conchis. He married Maud of St. Liz. According to Burke
(p. 468), a Maud of St. Liz is mentioned as wife of Saier de Quincy,
who were the parents of Saier, 1st Earl of Winchester, but there
is no elaboration in the St. Liz family. According to Burke (p.
447), they had two sons as follows:
1. Robert de Quincy, a soldier of the cross,
and one of the companions in arms of Richard the Lion Hearted.
2. Saire de Quincy II., Junior. See below.
2. Saire de Quincy II., Junior was born
before 1154. He was the Joint Governor of Normandy 1180-1184.
He was the Steward of England 1205-1207. He was created Earl
of Winchester, by King John in 1207. He was present at Lincoln,
when William, King of Scotland, did homage to the English monarch,
and he subsequently obtained large grants and immunities from
King John; when, however, the baronial war broke out, his pennant
waved on the side of freedom, and he became so eminent among the
chiefs, that he was chosen one of the twenty-five barons, a Surety,
appointed to enforce the observance of the Magna Charta, in 1215.
Adhering to the same party, after the accession of King Henry
III., the Earl of Winchester had a principal command at the battle
of Lincoln, and there being defeated, he was taken prisoner by
the royalists. But submitting in the following October, he had
restitution of all his lands; and proceeded soon after in company
with the Earls of Chester and Arundel, and others of the nobility,
to the Holy Land. A leader of the First Crusade, he assisted
at the siege of Damietta, in 1219, and died in the Holy Land on
November 3, 1219, progressing toward Jerusalem. He married Margaret Bellomont (Beaumont), granddaughter
of Isabel Vermandois and great granddaughter of Hugh Magnus of
France. She was sister and co-heir of Richard Fitz Parnell, Earl
of Leicester, by which alliance her
husband Saire de Quincy acquired a very considerable inheritance.
They had a daughter and three sons:
1. Hawise Quincy, married Hugh de Vere, Earl of Oxford, son
of Robert de Vere, Surety of the Magna Charta.
There was issue as follows:
1. Robert de Vere, born September 9, 1296,
married Alice Saunford.
They had issue as follows:
2. Aubrey de Vere
3. Richard de Vere
4. Margaret Vere
5. Maud Vere
6. Isabel Vere, married John de Courtenay.
2. Arabeth (Arabella) Quincy, married Richard
3. Robert de Quincy, died in the Holy
Land. He married Hawise (Hawyse or Howise) Keveliok of Chester,
the only daughter of Hugh Keveliok
(Cyveiliog), 3rd Earl of Chester.
They had one daughter as follows:
1. Margaret Quincy married (1) John de Lacy,
Magna Charta Surety, Earl of Lincoln, and Constable of Chester;
who died in 1240, and (2) William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke.
Margaret and John had the following children:
1. Edmund de Lacy, successor to his father,
married in 1247, "an outlandish lady," says Dugdale,
"from the parts of Savoy, brought over purposely for him,
by Peter de Savoy, uncle to the queen, which occasioned much discontent
among the nobles of England." The lady thus designated
was Alice, daughter of the Marquess of Saluces, in Italy, and
cousin of the queen.
2. Maud Lacy married Richard de Clare, 8th
Earl of Hertford and Gloucester, son of Gilbert de Clare. See
details on Richard de Clare and other descendants in the Clare
line elsewhere in Volume II. They had a son, Gilbert de Clare
IV., surnamed the Red Knight, 7th Earl of Hertford, and 3rd Earl
of Gloucester, by the king's procurement, married in 1257, (1)
Alice of Angoulesme, daughter of Guy, Earl of Angoulesme, and
niece of the king of France (also shown as Daughter of Hugh de
Lusignan in Sanders, "English Baronies"), which monarch
bestowed upon the lady a marriage portion of 5,000 marks. Upon
the death of King Henry, the Earl of Hertford and Gloucester was
one of the lords who met at the New Temple in London, to proclaim
Prince Edward, then in the Holy Land, successor to the crown,
and so soon as the new monarch returned to England, he was the
first to entertain him and his whole retinue, with great magnificence
for several days at his castle of Tonebruge. In the 13th year
of Edward I., he divorced his wife, Alice, the French princess,
and in consideration of her illustrious birth, granted for her
support during her life, six extensive manors and parks, and he
married in 1289, (2) Joane Plantaganet of Acre, daughter of King
Edward I., upon which occasion he gave up the inheritance of all
his castles and manors, as well in England as in Wales, to his
royal father-in-law, to dispose of as he might think proper; which
manors, etc., were entailed by the king upon the earl's issue,
by the said Joane, and in default, upon her heirs and assigns,
should she survive her husband. Gilbert de Clare IV. died in
1295, and the Countess Joane, surviving, married a "palin
esquire," called Ralph de Monthermer, clandestinely, without
her father's (the king's) knowledge; but to which alliance he
was reconciled through the intercession of Anthony Beke, the Bishop
of Burham, and became eventually attached to his new son-in-law,
who during the lifetime of Princess Joane, his wife, enjoyed the
Earldoms of Hertford and Gloucester and was summoned to parliament
in those dignities from 1299 to 1306, but Joane dying in 1307,
he never afterwards was so summoned but as a baron, under the
designation of "Radulpho de Monthermer." Gilbert de
Clare IV. and his wife, Princess Joane had the following children:
1. Gilbert de Clare, his successor, became
at the death of his mother, Joane, Earl of Hertford and Earl of
Gloucester. He married Maud, daughter of Richard de Burgh, Earl
of Ulster, but was slain at the battle of Bannockburn in 1313,
leaving no issue, whereupon his large possessions devolved upon
his three sisters as co-heiresses, and the Earldoms of Gloucester
and Hertford became extinct.
2. Eleanor (Alianore) Clare, married in
1337 (1) Hugh Despencer the Younger, and (2) William Zouche, Lord
Zouche, of Mortimer. See continuation of this lineage in the
Clare Line and the Despencer Line of Volume II.
3. Margaret Clare, married (1) Piers Gaveston,
Earl of Cornwall, favorite of King Edward II, and (2) Hugh de
Audley, who was eventually created Earl of Gloucester. They had
an only daughter, Margaret. See the Audley Line elsewhere for
the ancestral lineage of Hugh de Audley. Margaret and Hugh de
Audley had a daughter, Margaret Audley, who married before July
6, 1336, as his second wife, Ralph Stafford, Knight of the Garter,
2nd Baron Stafford, Earl of Stafford, born September 24, 1301,
died August 31, 1372. By his first marriage to Katherine Hastang,
he had Margaret Stafford, who married her cousin John Stafford,
Knight of Bramshall, co. Stafford. Margaret Audley died in 1349.
See Stafford Line for ancestral lineage of Ralph Stafford.
Note: According to Weis, the line breaks
at this point and the Clare ancestry is lost to Jane Deighton.
In previous genealogies, the above lineage was continued with
an erroneous connection to John Stafford below. In Ira E. Nolte's
" The Negus Ancestry" this error is present.
4. Elizabeth Clare, married (1) John de
Burgh, son of Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster, by whom she had
a son, William de Burgh, Earl of Ulster, who married Maud Plantaganet,
sister of Henry Plantaganet, Duke of Lancaster, and left a daughter
and heiress, Elizabeth de Burgh, who married Lionel Plantaganet,
Duke of Clarence, Knight of the Garter, and had an only daughter
and heiress, Philippa Plantaganet, who married Edward Mortimer,
3rd Earl of March. Elizabeth, widow of John de Burgh, married
(2) Theobald de Verdon; and (3) Roger de Amory.
4. Roger de Quincy. See below.
5. Robert de Quincy the Younger,
died 1257 in the tournament of Blie, married Helen _______, eldest daughter of Llewellyn
the Great of Wales. She was first married to John le Scot, Earl
of Huntingdon. See the ancestral lineage in the Welsh
Monarchs Line in Volume I. They had three daughters as follows:
1. Anne Quincy, a nun.
2. Joane Quincy, married Humphrey de Bohun. (Which one?)
3. Margaret Quincy, married Baldwin Wake, a feudal lord, died
in 1282. They had a son, John Wake, who was summoned to parliament
as a Baron on October 1, 1295.
3. Roger de Quincy held his father's
estates while his brother was absent in the Holy Land, and succeeded
as Earl of Winchester in 1235. In the same year, he married (1)
Helen MacDonal of Galloway,
daughter of Alan MacDonal, Lord of
Galloway, and his wife, Margaret, daughter of Prince David, a
grandson of King David of Scotland.
She was born in 1208 and died in 1245. Roger became in the right
of his wife, Lord High Constable of Scotland. By Helen there
were three daughters as follows:
1. Margaret Quincy. See below.
2. Elizabeth Quincy, married Alexander Comyn,
2nd Earl of Buchan.
3. Ela (Elena) Quincy married Alan (Walin), 4th Baron la Zouche of Ashby.
See the continuation of this lineage in the Zouche Line.
He married (2) Maud Bohun, daughter of Humphrey
de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (widow of Anseleme Marshal, 9th Earl
of Pembroke), and, without license, (3) Alianore Ferrers, 7th
daughter of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, and widow of William
de Vaux (this lady survived the earl, and married after his decease,
Roger de Leybourne). Dugdale says, that the earl had another
daughter, but by which wife he could not discover, namely, Isabella,
with whom a contract of marriage was made, by John, son of Hugh
de Nevil, for his son, Hugh. Roger de Quincy died in 1264, when
the Earldom of Winchester became extinct, and his great landed
possessions devolved upon his daughters., as co-heiresses.
4. Margaret Quincy, eldest daughter, married
William de Ferrers,
7th Earl of Derby, who brought to her husband the manor and barony
of Groby. Her husband was the eldest
son of William de Ferrers. They had
the following children: