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Seven of 25 Usenet Newsgroups in the soc.genealogy hierarchy

Soc.genealogy.surnames was one of the original seven soc.genealogy newsgroups. It was subdivided by a reorganizational vote in 1997.


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The seven soc.genealogy.surnames Usenet newsgroups and their associated mailing lists have had no messages since June 22, 2000.  At that time software problems with the automoderator caused RootsWeb to shut down that software.  You will see no messages until the problem is resolved and will not be able to post.  Email SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com if you have questions.

Once the messages resume, you will need to know about the formatting requirements for the subject lines of messages.  The soc.genealogy.surnames newsgroups are moderated, which means that every message submitted must be `approved' before it can be broadcast to newsgroups and mailing list subscribers.  There are some very specific formatting requirements that each message must pass in order to be approved.  A description can be found on the Web at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~surnames/introduction.html>.


NEWSGROUP: 1994 RFD/CFV:    soc.genealogy.surnames

RFD Date: 3 Oct 1994 (there was an earlier RFD which was revised)
1st CFV Date: 11 Oct 1994
2nd CFV Date: 20 Oct 1994
Vote ended 23:59:59 UTC, 1 November 1994.
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames passes 483:84

Newsgroups line: soc.genealogy.surnames Surname queries & tafels. (Moderated)

RFD/CFV/Votes:
1st RFD: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/soc/soc.genealogy
A straw poll on naming, the 2nd RFD and both CFVs and the results are all
missing at isc.org. What is shown was archived by one of the proponents.
Straw Poll  2nd RFD  Supporting FAQs  1st CFV  2nd CFV  Vote Results

Renamed and subdivided in 1997 vote

NEWSGROUP: 1997 reorganization:   soc.genealogy.surnames.global
soc.genealogy.surnames.britain  soc.genealogy.surnames.canada  soc.genealogy.surnames.german
soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland  soc.genealogy.surnames.misc   soc.genealogy.surnames.usa
RFD Date: 05 May 1997
1st CFV Date: 9 Jun 1997
2nd CFV Date: 21 Jun 1997
Vote ended 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jun 1997.
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.britain passes 362:41
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.canada passes 339:40
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.german passes 342:36
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.global (renames soc.genealogy.surnames) passes 354:47
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland passes 352:44
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.misc passes 354:47
RESULT: moderated group soc.genealogy.surnames.usa passes 357:37

Newsgroups lines:
soc.genealogy.surnames.global   Surnames queries central database. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.surnames.britain   Surnames queries - Great Britain. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.surnames.canada   Surnames queries - Canada. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.surnames.german   Surnames queries - German speaking countries. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland   Surnames queries - Ireland & Northern Ireland. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.surnames.misc   Surnames - regions not covered elsewhere. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.surnames.usa   Surnames queries - USA. (Moderated)

RFD/CFV/Votes on Reorganizing:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/soc/soc.genealogy.surnames-reorg


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RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.* (all 7 groups)

Soc.genealogy.surnames is a moderated newsgroup which provides a place
for genealogists to ask for information about ancestors worldwide.
The moderation only applies to the subject lines, and since late 1996
has been handled by an automoderation routine which is working well.

(Soc.genealogy will be shortened to s.g. in some of this RFD)

Soc.genealogy.surnames is heavily used, as are some of the regional
soc.genealogy groups. We need to plan now for a reorganization of the
groups where newsgroup evolution has reached the stage of having a lot
of messages which complain about how other people are using the group.

As surnames queries contribute to the growth of every regional group,
and as many of the complaints ask people to use s.g.surnames for those
messages, this plan for a reorganization of s.g.surnames should
benefit the two largest groups now and can be extended to other regional
groups as they continue to grow. We expect searching and reading to
be improved noticeably for non-USA readers by having subgroups for
posts relevant to several regions with the heaviest traffic.

S.g.uk+ireland and s.g.german have reached an overload state of 150
or more posts per day and their readers are now asking for splits of
their groups in order to make reading more manageable. In both
groups, people are suggesting a surnames group for that region only.

The number of posts in both groups which could properly be moved from
the regional groups to s.g.surnames is significant, but finding a way
to persuade people to move the posts is difficult, in great part
because the current s.g.surnames is dominated by posts from Americans
and about American locations. If the posters could be persuaded to
move surnames queries to s.g.surnames, s.g.surnames will then be so
big as to need immediate subdividing.

Two options for creating regional surnames groups are:
s.g.REGION.surnames and s.g.surnames.REGION. A split of a regional
group "X" into s.g.X.misc, s.g.X.surnames, etc. runs into a conflict
with the s.g.surnames name and group and will likely cause confusion.
Separate moderation schemes and moderators for each regional surnames
group is an added burden to be avoided. Since the automoderation of
s.g.surnames can be modified to make it simple to have posts sent to
an appropriate s.g.surnames.X group, using the same moderator address
and the same moderation rules, it seems more logical to subdivide
s.g.surnames at this time. This proposal allows for adding future
groups in an orderly manner as need arises.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.usa

A great majority of current posts to s.g.surnames now include USA
locations.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.canada

A significant number of current posts now in s.g.surnames include
Canadian locations.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.german

A significant number of current posts now in s.g.surnames include some
German location and a large number of posts in s.g.german are messages
about surnames which should better be placed here.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.britain

A significant number of current posts now in s.g.surnames include some
British or Irish location and a large number of posts in
s.g.uk+ireland are messages about surnames which should be placed
in a separate surnames group. The discussions among s.g.uk+ireland
participants and the numbers of posts now about Ireland has convinced
us of the advisability of asking to separate Irish posts from British
ones at this time. An RFD for a split of s.g.uk+ireland is now being
prepared with this division and these names.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland

A significant number of current posts now in s.g.surnames include some
British or Irish location and a large number of posts in
s.g.uk+ireland are messages about surnames which should be placed
in a separate surnames group. The discussions among s.g.uk+ireland
participants and the numbers of posts now about Ireland has convinced
us of the advisability of asking to separate Irish posts from British
ones at this time. An RFD for a split of s.g.uk+ireland is now being
prepared with this division and these names.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.misc

This group will receive messages for any area of the world which does
not have its own group. As the number of messages for any region
grows large in either s.g.surnames.misc or in one of the other
regional s.g.* groups, requests for additional subdivisons can be
expected.

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.surnames.global (renames soc.genealogy.surnames)

This group will receive all the surnames posts, and will be the only
place where "SURNAME; anywhere; anytime" posts are posted. For the
purposes of searching an archive and for those who wish to download
the entire set of surnames posts, this will be the group of choice.
The automoderator at this group will scan the Subject lines of all
incoming posts and, if the subject line is in the proper format, will
cross-post the message to s.g.surnames.global and to each of the other
s.g.surnames groups mentioned in the subject line, and to no other
soc.genealogy group, regardless of the Newsgroups: line.

Subject lines in s.g.surnames have a set format of three fields
separated by semi-colons: NAME; Place(s); Date(s). The places are
taken from a list used by s.g.surnames and by other online databases.
Sometimes the Place(s) field includes a migration route such as NFK,ENG > MA,USA.

Although cross-posting is not a good idea for many groups, in this
case the cross-posting will be relevant to the groups affected,
and we expect several benefits. At the moment many messages with
migration routes (such as SURNAME; DEU > DEV,ENG > VA,USA; 1800) are
cross-posted by the poster to s.g.surnames and to regional groups
(s.g.german and s.g.uk+ireland in the example). With one
automoderation address, the posting will be done all at once with
consistency, and posters will know that their messages will go to all
the right groups, and will show up only once in each group and it
will assure that the message does not go any non-relevant groups.
Cross-posting to other relevant groups outside the soc.genealogy.*
family of newsgroups is allowed.


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CHARTERS:   (all groups)

CHARTER: all groups

Surnames queries are used to make contacts among researchers who are
studying the same families. Posting of surname queries in magazines
and newsletters has been a popular method of genealogical inquiry
for decades, and on-line queries are posted to most genealogy
newsgroups, although soc.genealogy.surnames is the group which was
designed for such messages.

Many queries are for people who are known to have migrated from one
country to another. Those messages are useful for readers from
any area through which the person migrated, and can be effectively
posted to more than one regional surnames newsgroup.

Searching through the many queries, both on-line and in the archives,
is much easier when subject lines are formatted uniformly. All the
regional soc.genealogy.surnames groups will continue to use the format
developed for subject lines of posts to soc.genealogy.surnames, which
requires a subject line with three fields separated by semi-colons:
NAME (in caps); Place(s); Date(s)

In order to assure that this format, or any other format which may be
later introduced by the moderators, is used for each post, the groups
will be moderated. The automoderation software, already successfully
implemented for soc.genealogy.surnames, will moderate all the surnames
groups. It will be modified to receive all queries and to post them
only to relevant groups by cross-posting to the groups which are
mentioned in the "places" part of the subject line. Posters will be
informed of any changes made by the automoderator to the Newsgroups
line of their post.

Messages which do not arrive with the subject line in the prescribed
format will be returned to the poster for modification of the subject
line. An explanation of what information is missing and helpful
suggestions for revising the subject line will be included with a
copy of the original post, and the email address for the human
moderator or moderators will be given.

The automoderator will be concerned only with having well-formatted
subject lines, with the following exceptions:

1: "Spam" and grossly off-topic messages, even if formatted with a
nominally acceptable Subject line, may be rejected.

2: Duplicate messages should not posted more than once in any 14 day
period. The moderator may amend the automoderator to reject messages
posted more frequently. This will be done by comparing incoming posts
with recent messages in the archives of soc.genealogy.surnames.global,
as that group will contain a copy of every message posted in any of
the s.g.surnames subgroups.

3: Messages may be rejected if they contain an excess of non-plaintext
material, including binaries, GEDCOM formatted text and HTML code.
An explanation of the rejection will be sent to the poster.

4: Messages with unreplyable return addresses may also be rejected,
though a reasonable effort may be made by moderators to determine a
correct address so that the poster can be made aware of the problem.

Lists of the standard codes used for places and other information
about formulating good queries is available in FAQs and by email or
on the web and a human moderator will be available to give help.

Volunteers for all groups are:

Tim Pierce moderator-in-chief
Bill Mills moderator
Margaret Olson moderator

and any co-moderators or successor moderators that all current
moderators agree to.

The moderation email address is soc-genealogy-surnames@rootsweb.com

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.usa

Moderated, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.usa will receive genealogical queries about
people whose residence or migration has included locations within
the United States of America or its territories or possessions.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.canada

Moderated, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.canada will receive genealogical queries about
people whose residence or migration has included locations within
Canada.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.german

Moderated, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.german will receive genealogical queries about
people whose residence or migration has included locations within
the German speaking countries whose non-surnames messages are relevant
to soc.genealogy.german. Posters are strongly encouraged not to post
surnames queries to soc.genealogy.german but to post those to
soc.genealogy.surnames.german instead.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.britain

Moderated, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.britain will receive genealogical queries
about people whose residence or migration has included locations
within Great Britain, which includes England, Scotland, Wales,
the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands and other associated Islands.
Messages about Ireland (both Northern and Southern) will be posted to
a different newsgroup. Posters are strongly encouraged not to post
surnames queries to soc.genealogy.uk+ireland or a future successor
group such as soc.genealogy.britain but to post the British queries
to soc.genealogy.surnames.britain instead.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland

Moderated, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland will receive genealogical queries about
people whose residence or migration has included locations within the
Republic of Ireland or within Northern Ireland. Posters are strongly
encouraged not to post surnames queries to soc.genealogy.uk+ireland or
a future successor group such as soc.genealogy.ireland, but to post
the Irish queries to soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland instead.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.misc

Moderated, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.misc will receive genealogical queries about
people whose residence or migration has included locations within any
country which is not included in one of the regional soc.genealogy.
surnames groups.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.surnames.global

Moderated, archived, and gatewayed to a mailing list.

Soc.genealogy.surnames.global will receive one copy of genealogical
queries which appear in any of the regional surnames groups or in
soc.genealogy.surnames.misc, and will also receive messages which
have been formatted as "NAME; anywhere; anytime". This group will
be archived and searchable at one or more web locations.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.surnames.global (and the others)

Moderator: Tim Pierce
Moderator: Bill Mills
Moderator: Margaret Olson

This group will be moderated by custom automoderation software
developed and maintained by Tim Pierce. The moderation email
address of soc-genealogy-surnames@rootsweb.com will receive posts
for all the soc.genealogy.surnames groups and will make a decision,
based on the subject line, about where to cross-post the message.

END MODERATOR INFO.

Proponent: Margaret Olson
Proponent: Bill Mills
Proponent: Tim Pierce
Mentor: John Pimentel


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MAILING LIST: SURNAMES@rootsweb.com

The SURNAMES mailing list was formed at RootsWeb in January 1999 to
provide the soc.genealogy.surnames.global archives.  It was preceded by
GENNAM@apple.eworld.com, which had served as the mailing list mirror
to soc.genealogy.surnames.

Subscribe:
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Mail to SURNAMES lists manager

The current list manager for all the SURNAMES-* lists is Tim Pierce.

The lists are moderated by an automoderator (a computer program).

Questions about these groups and the moderation should be be sent to: SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com, The manager/moderators who respond to surnames-admin messages are Bill Mills, with help from Margaret Olson.


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