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James Orr/Margaret Allan Research Notes

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Sixth Generation

Patrick Orr [Jr] (MA120) and Margaret Millar (MA121)
James Allan (MA122) and Jean Allan (MA123)
John Allan (MA124) and Isabel Gavin (MA125)
James Kirkwood (MA126) and Janet Orr (MA127)


Patrick Orr and Margaret Millar  Patrick Orr [Jr] (MA120) and Margaret Millar (MA121) were married 2 Sep 1701 at Kilbirnie, Ayr (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1701 p.27).  According to their marriage record, Patrick [Jr.] was the son of Patrick Orr [Sr.] (MA240) of Lochridge and Margaret was the daughter of Thomas Millar (242) of Kilberny Bridge.  The children of Patrick Orr and Margaret Millar/Miller were (from Scotland's People):

  1. 12 Oct 1704, Orr, William, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Millar, 596/00 0010 0039
  2. 22 Sep 1706, Orr, John, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Millar, 596/00 0010 0042
  3. 20 Mar 1709, Orr, Elizabeth, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Millar, 596/00 0010 0048
  4. 02 Mar 1712, Orr, Patrick, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Miller, 596/00 0010 0053
  5. 21 Dec 1714, Orr, Thomas, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Miller, 596/00 0010 0058
  6. 07 Jul 1717, Orr, Jean, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Miller, 596/00 0010 0063
  7. 31 Jul 1720, Orr, Robert, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Miller, 596/00 0010 0068
  8. 22 Mar 1724, Orr, James, Parents: Patrick Orr/Margaret Miller, 596/00 0010 0073

There are no matches for the birth or baptism for either Patrick [Jr.] or Margaret.  Other than rheir marriage record, no information has been found for their parents.  Some Ancestry Family Trees believe Margaret was born 23 Nov 1682 and died in 1781.  The dates are reasonable, but I could find no record for either event.

James Allan and Jean Allan   James Allan (MA122) and Jean Allan (MA123) were married 20 Nov 1711 Kilbirnie (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1711 p.47).  Their children, all baptized in Kilbirnie, were (from Scotland's People):

  1. 30 Oct 1712, Allan, James, Parents: James Allan/Jean Allan 596/00 0010 0054
  2. 06 Mar 1715, Allan, Robert, Parents: James Allan/Jean Allan 596/00 0010 0059
  3. 14 Aug 1718, Allan, Janet, Parents: James Allan/Jean Allan 596/00 0010 0065
  4. 29 Mar 1724, Allan, Margarat, Parents: James Allan/Jean Allan 596/00 0010 0073

The Scottish family naming practices may be helpful in identifying their parents:

  • 1st son named after paternal grandfather - 1st son=James
  • 2nd son named after maternal grandfather - 2nd son=Robert
  • 3rd son named after father - 3rd son= no 3rd son

  • 1st daughter named after maternal grandmother - 1st daughter=Janet
  • 2nd daughter named after paternal grandmother - 2nd daughter=Margaret
  • 3rd daughter named after mother - 3rd daughter=no 3rd daughter

From the naming pattern, the likely set of parents of James Allan would be James and Margaret; and the likely parents of Jean would be Robert and Janet.  Searches for the birth or baptism for either James or Jean Allan were unsuccessful.

John Allan and Isabel Gavin  John Allan (MA124) and Isabel Gavin (MA125) were married 17 Aug 1726 in Kilbirnie (Church of Scotland, Dalry, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1726 p.12 and Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1726 p.70).  John was a farmer in Glengarth, Kilbirnie (son James' marriage record (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1757) and widow's death record (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1757 p.98)).  He died before 5 Apr 1757, but no record of his death has been found.  Isabel died on 18 May 1757 at Glengarth (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1757 p.98), a little over a month after her son's marriage.  Their children, all baptized in Kilbirnie, were (from Scotland's People):

  1. 15 Sep 1728, Allan, James, Parents: John Allan/Isabel Gavin 596/00 0010 0081
  2. 19 Jan 1735, Allan, John, Parents: John Allan/Isabel Gavin 596/00 0010 0087
  3. 03 Mar 1737, Allan, William, Parents: John Allan/Isabel Gavin 596/00 0010 0090
  4. 23 Nov 1740, Allan, Agness, Parents: John Allan/Isabel Gavin 596/00 0010 0098
  5. 13 Feb 1743, Allan, Margarat, Parents: John Allan/Isabel Gavin 596/00 0010 0104

No birth or baptism records have been found for John or Isabel.  The Scottish family naming practices can be helpful in identifying their parents: :

  • 1st son named after paternal grandfather - 1st son=James
  • 2nd son named after maternal grandfather - 2nd son=John (there is a 7 year gap between the first and second child, so other sons may have been born but died early.  However, no deaths were reported during that period.
  • 3rd son named after father - 3rd son= William

  • 1st daughter named after maternal grandmother - 1st daughter=Agnes
  • 2nd daughter named after paternal grandmother - 2nd daughter=Margaret
  • 3rd daughter named after mother - 3rd daughter=no 3rd daughter

From the naming pattern, the likely set of parents of John Allan would be James and Margaret (could he be a brother of James Allan (MA122)?),  The likely parents of Jean would be John and Agnes.

James Kirkwood and Janet Orr  James Kirkwood (MA126) and Janet Orr (MA127) were probably married about 1733 but no record of the marriage has been found.  Their daughter Margaret's baptism (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1734 p.82) and marriage (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1757) records state that she was "lawful" daughter, so a marriage apparently occurred.  According to those same records, Jamees was a farmer in Bashaw, Kilbirnie.  The marriage record also indicates that he died before 5 Apr 1757.

Their children, all baptized in Kilbirnie, were (from Scotland's People):

  1. 03 Feb 1734, Kirkwood, Margarat, Parents: James Kirkwood/Janet Orr 596/00 0010 008
  2. 19 Jun 1737, Kirkwood, Jean, Parents: James Kirkwood/Janet Orr 596/00 0010 0091
  3. 17 Aug 1740, Kirkwood, John, Parents: James Kirkwood/Janet Orr 596/00 0010 0097
  4. 23 Feb 1743, Kirkwood, Janet, Parents: James Kirkwood/Janet Orr 596/00 0010 0104
  5. 24 Aug 1746, Kirkwood, Janet, Parents: James Kirkwood/Janet Orr 596/00 0010 0114

The Scottish family naming practices may be helpful in identifying the parents of James and Janet: :

  • 1st son named after paternal grandfather - 1st son=John
  • 2nd son named after maternal grandfather - 2nd son=none
  • 3rd son named after father - 3rd son= none

  • 1st daughter named after maternal grandmother - 1st daughter=Margaret
  • 2nd daughter named after paternal grandmother - 2nd daughter=Jean
  • 3rd daughter named after mother - 3rd daughter=Janet

From the naming pattern, the likely set of parents of James Kirkwood would be John and Jean or Margaret; and the likely parents of Janet Orr would be unknown, or John, and Margaret.  There were four results from Scotland's People searches for the 1684-1716 birth or baptism for James.  In all three of the records where a mother was named, the mother was a Margaret:

  • 19 Apr 1686, Kirkwood, James, Parents: James Kirkwood, Dalry, Ayr 587/00 0010 0009
  • 08 Oct 1693, Kirkwood, James, Parents: James Kirkwood/Margaret Ker, Stewarton, Ayr 616/00 0010 0006
  • 25 Jan 1708, Kirkwood, James, Parents: John Kirkwood/Margaret Orr, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0045
  • 06 Dec 1713, Kirkwood, James, Parents: John Kirkwood/Margaret Cunninghame, Kilwinning, Ayr 599/00 0010 0185

In the only Kilbirnie baptism, the father John was a farmer in Bishaw (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1708 p.42), which matches the place where James was a farmer in his daughter Margaret's baptism (Church of Scotland, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Parish register for 1734 p.82).  Thus, James Kirkwood (MA126) was the son of John Kirkwood (MA252) and Margaret Orr (MA253).

There were 10 results from Scotland's People searches for the 1693-1716 birth or baptism for Janet in Ayrshire.  Four of the ten were in Kilbirnie, the rest in West Kilbride.  West Kilbride is to the west of Dalry, so it is a fair distance from Kilbirnie and unlikely to be the birthplace of Janet.  In two of the four Kilbirnie records the mother was a Margaret:

  • 10 Nov 1706, Orr, Janet, Parents: William Orr, farmer in Lochridge/Mary Orr, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0042
  • 24 Nov 1709, Orr, Janet, Parents: William Orr, farmer in Barhill/Margaret Orr, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0048
  • 21 Nov 1711, Orr, Janet, Parents: William Orr, farmer in Barhill/Kathrine Lang, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0051
  • 08 Nov 1713, Orr, Janet, Parents: Robert Orr, farmer in East ?Dyfries?/Margarat Harvie, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0055

All public Ancestry Family Trees say she is the daughter of James Orr and Mary Jean Craig, bap 28 Apr 1703, and that she married James Kirkwood 22 Apr 1728.

Janet's birth/baptism was not found in a search on Scotland's People for all Orrs born in Kilbirnie 1538-1801.  On the actual page of the parish register where the baptism would be recorded, there was a baptism recorded on 28 Feb 1703 for Janet, daughter of William Whiteford in Unshank, and Janet Whiteford, but no Janet Orr.  In the same search, the only births found for a James Orr and a Craig in the 1693-1716 period:

  1. 22 Jan 1699, Orr, Thomas, Parents: James Orr, Lochridge/Mary Craig, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0028
  2. 27 Apr 1701, Orr, Jeane, Parents: James Orr, Lochridge/Mary Craig, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0032
  3. 02 May 1703, Orr, William, Parents: James Orr, Couher?/Mary Craig, Kilbirnie, Ayr 596/00 0010 0037

Mary Craig and Jeane Craig are probably not the same person.  A search of Orr/Craig marriages from 1650 to 1700 in Ayrshire identified only one James Orr: James Orr, son of Robert Orr of ?Dykos?, and Jeane Craig, daughter of James Craig of ?Bayhoffdine? were married 23 Jan 1700 at Kilbirnie (Scotland's People 596/00 0010 0028).  On the same page is the above listed 1699 baptism of Thomas Orr, "lawful" child, so apparently James Orr and Mary Craig were married before 1699.  The father of Thomas and Jeane is from Lochridge.  The father of William is from ?Couher?  William could be a sibling of Thomas and Jeane, if his parents moved between 1701 and 1703.

A country-wide search for Janet Orr's 22 Apr 1728 marriage also failed to locate a record. 


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