Taulbee List Public Archives for February, 1998 February 1: Hitchcock Link ("Pam Wiley" , 02/01/98 20:54) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Taulbee/Tolby group, Please find below a link to a Hitchcock page that may offer some more information about our Hitchcock ancestors. http://www.hypertree.com/hitchcock/ February 3: Book (Annacarole@aol.com, 02/03/98 01:35) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Jill is typing to page 91 and Barb starts there for 50 pages. I started on Page194 and hope to meet the last section. I still need someone to type pages 142 -194, anyone out there with a Taulbee book that's willing to spend a few hours typing. The pages really do go fast, even with my bad typing skills and crooked fingers. Carole Rose book file fixed (moravia@doitnow.com, 02/03/98 08:17) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Those who told me you could not load one of Rose's files. the problem has been fixed. -- February 4 Taulbee - Pence (moravia@doitnow.com, 02/04/98 23:22) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com CC: penny@pitalaska.net We have Pence married into the family tree, and even Pence among our list cousins. I do not recall seeing a Claude Pence among the data I have. If any of you know of such a connection, please respond to Penny, her query is below. pence name ("Penny Shackley" , Wed 17:58) To: Hi, I am looking for the parents of Claude Pence. I don't know if he has/had any siblings or not. You don't happen to have in there anyplace do you? Thank you very much. Have a great day!! Penny Shackley = penny@pitalaska.net John Shackley (Rocket Surplus) = rocket@eagle.ptialaska.net Wendy Pence = penny@ptialaska.net (Put "For Wendy" in subject box) Heather Pence = penny@ptialaska.net (Put "For Heather" in subject box) Try our family webpages at http://www.ptialaska.net/~penny/ -- February 5: Subject: Taulbee Query, Hendricks County, IN Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:53:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:05:58 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Taulbee - Gibson connection Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:35:40 -0500 From: Debbie DeHart Organization: Infinet To: moravia@doitnow.com Could you post a query on the Taulbee list for me without me being a member? I am on over 20 lists now and get so much mail... I am interested in communicating with descendants of Samuel Taulbee and wife of Hendricks Co, IN...He lives next door to my ancestor Archibald Gibson/Gipson (in 1830) who came from Wilkes Co, NC (later Ashe) to Floyd/Perry KY and then to Hendricks Co, IN. Could be Samuel married a Gibson girl. If not children may have intermarried. Thanks for any help you might give me. Debbie DeHart ddehart@fls.infi.net Subject: Taulbee, Richard, Cave Hill Cemstery Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:00:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:13:03 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Taulbee Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:01:05 EST From: CatMom1@aol.com To: moravia@doitnow.com Richard Taulbee d. 2/7/1908 is buried in the Home of the Innocents section of Cave Hill Cemetery. If you write to the following individual, he will see in info is available. Ralph Zallejos Social Services Home of the Innocents 485 East Gray Street Louisville, KY 40202 Subject: Taulby as a Christian name Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:27:59 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com It is rare, but Taulby variants do show up as Christian names. Leaves one to wonder if there is a relationship. This one is from Floyd County, KY and was sent to me by an occational correspondant who has helped me from time to time. Floyd County is where the Taublee line first showed up in KY, but the county was much larger then. Quote: I don't know if this is of any use to you, but the name caught my eye, and I thought I'd send it along anyway: Union Association of the Old Regular Baptist Minutes Kentucky, Virginia and West Virginia OBITUARIES Union Association of the Old Regular Baptist Minutes Kentucky, Virginia and West Virginia BAKER, Sarah was married to Jes Baker and was the daughter of John GIBSON. She was born in 1878 and died in 1945. Jes Baker ws the son of Sam Baker and he was born in 1877 and died in 1940. They were married in 1897 or 1898 and to them were born 5 boys and 5 girls,, two girls preceded them in death. Mrs. Mollie Anderson and Leota Baker. The remaining children are: Martin, Fred, Joel, Jes, Jr., Johnnie; the girls, Mrs. Taulby Cantrell, Onecy and Melissie. They both are buried in Floyd County. They both were members of the Ashcamp Church of Old Regular Baptist. February 6 Subject: TAULBEE-HOLLON connection Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 04:25:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 05:34:56 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com The following was received from a person in one of the Taulbee lines: Her email is in the header if this connects with any of your lines. Her name is Carole, by the way. Subject: Descendants of Samuel TAULBEE & Nancy HOLLON Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:57:10 EST From: Lvmerrills@aol.com To: moravia@doitnow.com Hi! I just came back from our local FHC and I thought I'd add a few bits of info to your database. Nancy HOLLON is the sister of Elizabeth HOLLON (md Jeremiah KING) my direct line. Prior to finding your website, I didn't have any other children for George HOLLON & Elizabeth MULLINS. Sources: International Genealogical Index (IGI), Family Search/LDS Church, 1994 Edition Social Security Death Index (SSDI), FamilySearch/LDS Church, Dec. 1996 Edition 1. Possible parents of Hoy CHILDERS (b. Sep 1858) are James Madison CHILDERS & Nancy/Chancey LOVELACE. Ref: IGI 2. Possible info on James Blane CHILDERS s/o Hoy CHILDERS & Rose Adeline TAULBEE ... James CHILDERS, b. 12 Oct 1893, SS# 568-16-1156 issued in CA, d. Mar 1973, resid. of Riverside, Riverside, CA (zip 92503) Ref: SSDI 3. Possible info on Taylor W.S. CHILDERS s/o Hoy CHILDERS & Rose Adeline TAULBEE ... Taylor CHILDERS, b. 10 Dec 1899, SS# 489-05-0952, issued in MO, d. Jul 1980 resid. of St. Louis, St. Louis City, MO (zip 63109), death benefit sent to same zip code, Ref: SSDI 4. William Hoy CHILDERS s/o Richard A. CHILDERS & Maggie P. BUCHANAN ... Hoy CHILDERS, b. 9 Nov 1904, SS# 401-14-0286 issued in KY, d. Jun 1992, resid. of Patsey/Rosslyn/Stanton, Powell, KY (zip 40380). Ref: SSDI 5. Ernest CHILDERS s/o Richard A. CHILDERS & Maggie P. BUCHANAN ... Ernest CHILDERS b. 24 Aug 1913, SS# 269-14-7215 issued in OH, d. 29 Dec 1992 resid. of Collinsville, Butler, OH (zip 45004). Ref: SSDI 6. Rollie CHILDERS s/o Richard A. CHILDERS & Maggie P. BUCHANAN ... Rollie CHILDERS b. 22 May 1906, SS# issued in KY, d. Jun 1984 resid. of Wolfe Co., KY. Ref: SSDI 7. Mary (WILLIAMS) CHILDERS b. 5 Apr 1912, SS# 403-48-1765 issued in KY, d. Apr 1994 resid. of Campton/Flat/Mary/Maytown/Valeria, Wolfe Co., KY (zip 41301). Ref: SSDI 8. John A. TAULBEE s/o Newton A. TAULBEE & Laura ... John TAULBEE b. 7 Apr 1893, SS# 401-48-7731 issued in KY, d. Nov 1962. Ref: SSDI 9. Bessie E. (LANDSAW) TAULBEE ... Bessie TAULBEE b. 6 Mar 1896, SS# 401-52-4580 issued in KY, d. Feb 1971, resid. of Grassy Creek/Hazel Green/Helechawa, Wolfe Co., KY (zip 41332). Ref: SSDI Subject: TOLBY, Nancy, Dubois Co, IN 1820 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:57:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 19:07:05 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I am still stuck with this one: Federal Census for Indiana, 1820, Dubois County, page 035 TOLBY, NANCY White males under age ten, - 2 White males age sixteen to twenty-four - 1 White females under age ten - 2 White females age ten to fifteen - 2 White females age twenty six to 44. This either has to be a widow or her husband is not present at the time of the census. She was born getwee 1776 and 1794, probably closer to 1776. She is not Nancy Corkeram, wife of William Barry unless all our other data is crazy. If she is a sister in law to William Hitchcock Taulbee, which brother? She would be much younger. She is not Zephaniah's wife, he stayed in Maryland and married Mary Wollen/Wolling. The other brothers I know of were Asael, Samuel, and Isaac. We really have no information on them. If she is a daughter in law, which son? If she is a grand daughter in law, which grandson? Could she be a niece-in-law? What do you call someone who marries a nephew? Again what line? This is the first Federal Census for Indiana (1820). This family is not on the 1807 territorial census. Anyone, any ideas, any speculation? Subject: FTC Special address to send spam. Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:02:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 19:11:44 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I thought you all might be interested in this post to the listowners' list about what to do with all the unsolicited email scams we get in our mail boxes. FTC's Special address ("W. David Samuelsen" , 18:43) Resent-From: listowners@rootsweb.com To: listowners@rootsweb.com CC: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com, usgenweb-all-l@rootsweb.com, worldgenweb-l@rootsweb.com FTC (Federal Trade Commission) now has the special address where you can forward any spam whether it is get rich quick scheme or dirty/porn spam. The address is uce@ftc.gov. They issued warnings to more than 1,000 spammers few days ago that they are attracting the law enforcement now. So forward (always forward!) such spam messages to mailto:uce@ftc.gov W. David Samuelsen Subject: FTC Press Release concerning fraud spams Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 06:41:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 07:50:48 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com RE my previous post, this is the full press release from the FTC This will not stop the non fraudulant unsolicited email that hits your mail boxes, but will help put a damper on all the scam artists using the web if you will cooperate and foward it to the addresses indicated. It is really about time. FOR RELEASE: FEBRUARY 5, 1998 FTC TO JUNK E-MAILERS: "NO SCAMMING WHILE YOU'RE SPAMMING." The Federal Trade Commission and the U. S. Postal Inspection Service have put more than 1,000 junk e-mailers on notice that the agencies are monitoring unsolicited e-mail for fraudulent schemes and are keeping track of the schemers. The FTC maintains an e-mailbox -- uce@ftc.gov -- where consumers can forward unsolicited commercial e-mail that they believe may be fraudulent or deceptive. The electronic address receives approximately 500 e-mails a day. Consumers also forward large volumes of unsolicited commercial e-mail to the U.S. Postal Service. The agencies reviewed these collections for e-mail that appeared to be deceptive or fraudulent, in violation of the FTC Act or the Postal Lottery Statute. Letters were sent to the e-mailers warning them about participating in schemes that may violate the law. Letters to participants in chain-letter schemes came jointly from the FTC and the U. S. Postal Inspection Service. "Fraud promoters should think twice before plying their trade on the Internet," said Jodie Bernstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. "First, the FTC is on the Internet beat and will follow up with spam artists who don't clean up their correspondence. Second, many consumers are already on to them -- they know better than to believe promises from strangers." Bernstein said the largest category of junk e-mail targeted by the FTC was chain letters. "Pyramid schemes and chain letters make money only for the first few on the list. All the others lose their money. That's why pyramids and chain letters deceive consumers and are illegal under state and federal laws," she said. The chain letter schemes urge e-mail recipients to send a small amount of money to a list of several people, remove one name, add their own and forward the e-mail in bulk to others. Theoretically, the participants will start to receive money as other, "downstream" recipients receive the e-mail and participate. Economists have estimated that about 95 percent of pyramid participants lose their money. Some chain letters masquerade as legitimate businesses, in which participants receive "reports" or other worthless items in exchange for their money. These schemes are still illegal, and almost all participants lose money. "Don't be fooled by claims the U.S. Postal Service has given approval for these schemes," warns Larry Maxwell, Manager of the Fraud, Prohibited Mailings and Asset Forfeiture Group of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. "Many letters provide the correct legal citation, Title 18, Section 1302, which negates rather than supports the legality of the scheme. We as an agency never approve a solicitation and recommend consulting an attorney if you contemplate such mailings," he added. Other categories of e-mail that received the warning message were business opportunity offers that appeared to be fraudulent, "cash grant" schemes, deceptive diet and medical solicitations, credit repair scams and suspect "guaranteed credit card" solicitations. The agencies have kept copies of the warning letters for possible use in future law enforcement actions if the violations do not cease. A new FTC publication about unsolicited commercial e-mail, "Trouble @ the In-Box," offers examples of some common scams and provides tips on how to avoid them. The FTC has a variety of other consumer education publications -- including publications on advance fee loans, credit repair, virtual health "treatments," pyramid schemes and investment scams -- available on its web site at http://www.ftc.gov (no period). Consumer publications also are available at http://www.consumer.gov -- a cooperative effort of the FTC, Securities and Exchange Commission, Food and Drug Administration, Consumer Product Safety Commission and National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Copies of all FTC consumer publications also are available from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202-326-3128; TTY for the hearing impaired 202-326-2502. To find out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710. MEDIA CONTACT: Claudia Bourne Farrell Office of Public Affairs 202-326-2181 STAFF CONTACT: John Rothchild Bureau of Consumer Protection 202-326-3307 February 7 Subject: TAULBEE - RADCLIFFE Connection Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:17:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 08:27:17 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com This is from a cousin who descends from the Radcliffes in Isaac Taulbee's line. The Radcliffe's she mentionis are on my pages at http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/itaul1.html I am still constructing the index, so using the function will get more than the index. I have no information beyond what I have posted. If any of you are in this line, or can help the young lady, here is here email: Radcliff Homepage (Juli579149@aol.com, 04:07) To: moravia@doitnow.com I was browsing the web when I came across your RADCLIFF's. I am a descendant of Alfred Radcliff who was born in 1827. He is the son of Charles RADCLIFF who md. Elizabeth Walker who is the son of Edward Radcliff. I would like to trade information with you. Thank you, Juli579149@aol.com Subject: Are any of you using ...? Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:47:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:55:41 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list If any of my list cousins are using Netscape Communicator, as opposed to Netscape Navigator Gold, please contact me privately. I have downloaded a copy, but I am very disgusted with the way it wants to open text files in notepad, which will not display them properly. Had no problems with Gold. Subject: DUSH in Taulbee line Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:19:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:28:12 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list The following is an exchange between myself and an individual researching two people who married into one of the lines of the descendants of Isaac D. Taulbee in Illinois. The information I have is on http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/itaul1.html Hi, I am researching a Martha DUSH b. c. 1852. She married George COMPTON in Shelby county, IL in 1877. This may have been her second marriage because some of our family have her name as Martha BANNING. I noticed that you have both of those surnames in your web page and they were related to Fayette and Shelby counties in IL. I was unable to follow the page on the net and would like to have a clearer picture of how the BANNING's and DUSH's were related. I hope we will be able to help each other out on this one. I'm sure there is a connection here in some way. Dale Underwood frdmyrdu@digisys.net Not hard to understand why you could not follow the page, since I must have hit a Control-X instead of a Control C when building the index, which I will be building for some time since time seems always to demand I do something else. What you did not see reads as: Mary C. Petty was born in 1859 in Shelby County, Illinois. She married twice: (1) John P. Barrows, son of James Barrows and Elizabeth Severe, on March 27, 1879 at Cowden in Shelby County. This was John's second marriage. John was born in 1846 in Seneca County, Ohio; (2) Jacob Christopher Dush, son of Joseph Dush and Cathern Keooen. Jacob was born in 1843. Eliza Jane Petty was born in 1861 in Shelby County, Illinois and died by 1900. She married James A. Banning on October 17, 1876 in Fayette County, Illinois. James was born in September, 1844. He was living in the household of Racile McElroy in 1900. I suppose that pasting the webpage text into this email message will destroy the formatting, but what it tells us is that Jacob C. Dush and James Banning were brother in laws in that they were married to Petty sisters. Beyond that, I really do not have information on them. The information comes from the late Rose Taulbee's Taulbee family history. She died very shortly after publishing and her brother destroyed her notes, meaning we have lost her documentation and whatever other information she may have had. The Petty lines is in Isaac Taulbee's one of the sons of William Hitchcock Taulbee. I can ask the members of the Taulbee list if anyone has more information if you wish. Bob George -------- Hi Bob, Yes I would appreciate that very much. I can't seem to connect her with the information that I have. Maybe if you could ask if anyone has a Martha DUSH or a Martha BANNING in their data? She was born about 1852 so she could be a sister to either James BANNING or Jacob DUSH. She would have been born in either Fayette or Shelby counties. Let me know if you get any response back on it. Thanks :-) Dale Underwood frdmyrdu@digisys.net ----------- I am getting a lot of email about what is on Isaac's page. I don't know if any of you can be of any help to Dale, but if you can, CC me a copy and I will eventually get the information added to the page. The Petty line is a major descendant line and Rose devoted a lot of pages to it. February 8 Subject: Taulbee list members and AOL instant messages Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:11:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:21:29 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list When I downloaded the latest version of Netscape Communicator, it included AOL's instant message application, so I can send such messages to AOL users or anyone else with it (the service is free) anytime we are both on line. I am on line quite a bit in the late afternoon, say 1530 - 1700 MST, and about 2200-2230 MST, and quite a bit on the weekends. I usualy check mail about 0500, but since I am leaving for work, don't have time to do much more. Anyone wishing to speak to me, I use the user name moravia2 (since AOL told me I could not have moravia). I would like to hear from some of you just to know the thing works. BTW, I solved my problem with Netscape communicator not reading the text files on the web because they were too large for Notepad. I simply deleted the helper application from the navigator preferences, and it works just like the old navigator gold. And none of the bad things they said would happen, happened. So if you have communicator and would like to read these large text files that are on our web page, and in the rootsweb archives without having to download them first, just delete . Don't delete the one that says or . -- February 9 Subject: TAULBEE Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:25:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:35:02 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list This post was meant for the entire list: Dear Cousins, I am new to this wonderful group. With all your hard work, I was able to piece some of the Taulbee information I have not been able to find until now. I thank you for this. I am Shirley Stutler DuFrene. My line descends like this: 6th gr-grandfather - Edward Talbee m. Mary Talbee 5th gr-grandfather - Samuel Talbee m. Elizabeth Hitchcock 4th gr-grandfather - William Hitchcock(Talbee) Taulbee m. Margaret Canady 3rd gr-grandfather - William Barry Taulbee m. Nancy Cockerham 2nd gr-grandfather - John Sebastian m. Margaret Taulbee gr-grandfather - "Squire" James Callaway Sebastian m. MaryJane Cochran grandfather - James Taylor Sebastian m. Calah (Katie) Catherine Wells parents - Maude Sebastian m. Walter Clifford Stutler (me) Shirley Stutler DuFrene e-mail Kjaia@aol.com Researching Reitz, Sebastian, Sharpnack, Stadtler, Stamper, Stutler, Testerman, Taulbee (Talbee, Tolbee, Tolbey), Wells and related families. Your cousin, Shirley from California Subject: Sending just part of a gedcom Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:11:15 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Some of you have asked about how to send someone just part of a gedcom file. The following will work for Family Tree Maker. If you are using other programs, post or send me the instructions and I will include them on a future page of our web site. Open the family tree maker file. Go to the highest (oldest) page you want to include in the gedcom. Click on outline report. If it does not show all you want, click on the icon which sets the number of generations to show. Once the outline report contains the generations you want, go to FILE and click on EXPORT INDIVIDUALS IN OUTLINE REPORT. What this does is save the report to a directory in either FTM or GEDCOM format as you choose. Check the file type field in the dialog box. That's all there is to it. If those of you who are using other genealogy programs send me instructions for partitioning a gedcom in your program, I will construct an instruction page for our website. BTW, please do not send gedcoms to the list. One of the reasons the lists are set to low capacitiy is to discourage that. Post that you have them and send them as email attachments to those who ask. However, cutting and pasting the outline report into an email is a simple way to demonstrate a descendancy and requires far less memory. Feb 11 Subject: Taulbee Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:30:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:36:07 EST From: McPixie@aol.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Hi, My Grandmother was EDNA TOLBY daughter of PETER LEEBERRY TOLBY/TAULBEE and MARY HANNAH HOULIHAN (HOULIHIAN). Peter's parents were NATHANIAL GREENBERRY (GREEN LEE) TOLBY/TAULBEE and MILLIE MALINDA MATHIAS. Nathanial's parents were JAMES PERRY TOLBY/TAULBEE and SYDNEY (CYDNEY, SIDNEY, CIDNEY) HARRIS. James parents were ISAAC TAULBEE AND ELIZABETH (BANKSTON?). I have been hunting for the Tolby's for a while but could not find anything until I ran across Nathanial Greenberry after his death when Sydney married Francis Marion Harris. I contacted the Peoria Genealogical society and they gave me the address of Vera Harris, a wonderful 80 year old woman, who was married to Clarence Harris, cousin to Peter Tolby. She is a very trusting soul and gave me her genealogy book, a 30 year study, to study with some old family pictures. It was a gold mine. All of the information that she had matched the information that I had already gathered or knew about and the information that I have found since that time has substantiated her findings. She also lists sources and has copies of marriage licenses and such. Incredible. I am willing to share what information that I have found with all who are interested. Deb Lundquist Feb 13 Subject: I-Taulbee, Isaac D., Corrections and Additions, Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:57:51 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list This is from our new list cousin, McPixie@aol.com. Sometime this weekend I hope to be finished with indexing Isaac Taulbee's page on my web site and then I will be going back and adding what is posted here. Notice that there is another book out there besides Rose's that deals with some of the Taulbees. Many thanks Cousin, for these postings. Hi Bob, I am sending this in four sections as it is larger then I had intended. If it looks okay to you, go ahead and send it to the group. I have another book from Vera Harris, wife of Clarence Harris who was a cousin of Peter Leeberry Tolby. She has documented quite a bit of her book and although I do not have any original sources that she found, she has been a wonderful in assisting me in finding the sources I needed. She is 80 years old at present and a real sweetie. I had never met her before last Sunday and she let me walk off with her book and some family photos. I will get those jpeg-ed for the page and maybe someone can help identify a couple of the people that we are not sure about. (By the way, a little side note, not an advertisement, I restore old photographs for a living, digitally, if anyone is interested let me know.) Between Vera's book and some discrepancies with Rose's I am submitting some changes. I have underlined changes/corrections, italisized (word?) the documentation and tried to logically number things so that they made sense. I have also made notations if the difference is found in Vera's book instead of actual documentation. So far what I have documented in Vera's book has been right on target with what she has down. Children of Isaac and Elizabeth: 1. Isaac D. Taulbee, Jr. married to Cynthia Jane Sapp Documentation: Fayette County Illinois Marriage Record 1821-1877: Isaac Taulby and cynthia Jane Sapp, L12 June, 1858, he by con, not found, she of age, M 13 June, 1858 by John Smith J. P. Bk Old A, p. 64, 1. 11. 2. William Jasper Taulbee married Melinda Neely (Nisley-Rose's book) Documentation: Fayette County Illinois Marriage Record 1821-1877: Wm. J. Taulbee and Melinda Neely, L 2 Mar., 1836, he by con, she of age, M 3 Mar., 1836 by Guy Beck, J. P. Con of mother, Nancy Neely, Cert. Of age by John P. Riley, No con found for Wm. J. Taulbee. Bk Old A, p. 9, 1. 37. 3. James Perry Taulbee: this first paragraph matches Vera's, so we will move on. (This is my line.) Documentation: Fayette County Illinois Marriage Record 1821-1877: James Taulbee and Sidney Harris, L13 Apr., 1833, both by con, not found, M 18 April, 1833 by Guy Beck, J. P. Bk Old A, p. 7, 1. 9. Subject: II - Taulbee, Isaac D. Corrections and Documentation Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:49:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:58:57 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Children of James and Sidney: A. Nathaniel Greenlee Taulbee (Vera has him listed as Greenberry although a 2nd cousin, once removed, of mine, Cecile, from the Peter L. line also has him as Greenlee. Documentation: I'm not sure where she got her information from, but I did find Nathanial Greenlee listed under John Jackson, his stepfather, on the1850 Fayette County, Illinois, United States Census, line 618-630. Nathanial was 14 years of age and born in Illinois. Nathaniel G. Taulbee (Talby, Tolby) was born January 7, 1836. And married Millie Malinda Mathias, daughter of Peter Mathias and Elizabeth (Wofe or Hale) [Vera states that family members have mentioned both surnames for Elizabeth.] Millie was born 3/23/1838 in Ohio. Following the death of Nathaniel, Millie married Francis Marion Harris. Francis was born in February 1837 in Ramsey, Fayette County, Illinois. He died 10/31/1909 and is buried in the Mathias Cemetery, Ramsey, Fayette County, Illinois. Documentation: Fayette County Illinois Marriage Record 1821-1877: Nathaniel G. Talby and Melinda Mathias, L 15 Dec., 1857, both of age, M 17 Dec., 1857 by John Boaz, J. P. Levi Mathias swore that Melinda was 18 or over, no relationship stated. (Melinda had a brother by the name of Levi.) Bk Old A, p. 62, 1. 17. Children of Nathaniel and Millie Malinda Mathias: i. William F. Taulbee: married Abt. 1890 Children of William F.: a. Millie Melinda [Vera's name] (Rose has her as Myrtle) Taulbee, born 2/1891 b. Fredrick Taulbee c. Edward Taulbee d. Thomas Tolby e. Opan Tolby, born 1902 ii. Sidney Elizabeth Taulbee 1st marriage was to James William Boaz. Her 2nd marrage was to George W. Neusmann, born 1859 in Montgomery County, Illinois. George was the son of John L. Neusmann and Elizabeth Corigle. [This is from Vera Harris' book. This helps with some of the confusion of the John Neusmann name appearing so often. They were not all John's.] Children of Sidney and James: a. Charles - matches b. Mary (Melita) Boaz - matches although I have to check her children yet. c. Elizabeth was born 7-6-1882 and died 7-2-1954 in Ramsey, Fayette County, Illinois buried in the Bolyard Cemetery. Elizabeth married Hancock Bolyard, born 4/28/1880 and died 7-9-1959 in Ramsey, Fayette County, Illinois buried in the Bolyard Cemetery. Elizabeth married Hancock on 6/20/1898 in Fayette County, Illinois. Hancock's parents were John Bolyard and Mary Ann Long. Children of Elizabeth and Hancock: Mary Mae Bolyard Lottie Lorraine Bolyard Veta Edna Viola Bolyard Albert Hancock Bolyard Alta Goldie Bolyard Daniel James Bolyard: twin of Dale Bolyard Bessie Laverne Bolyard Pearl Sadie Bolyard Ruby Elizabeth Bolyard John Leroy Bolyard, Jr. Diamond Ruth Bolyard Subject: III - TAulbee, Isaac D., Additions and Documentation Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:53:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:00:15 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list -- Robert L. George ------ Surprise, Arizona The Crooked Tree; The Taulbee Pages; The Census On Line; iii. Peter Leeberry Taulby (Tolby) married Mary Hannah Houlihian (Houlihan) daughter of John Houlihian and Mary White. (Again this is my line.) Peter Born 10/1863 Ramsey Died 3/23/1946. Married Mary Hannah Houlihian 9/11/1895. Mary H. was born 3/20/1877 in Coles County, Illinois and died 3/13/1951. According to what I heard from my grandparents and my own parents Mary Hannah was very very Irish! According to Cecile, John Houlihian was born in Ireland. I have not been able to find anything on the Houlihians, yet. Documentation: 1870 Fayette Faces: Fayette County Genealogical Society - Vandalia Illinois, 1870 Fayette County Census: page 175: Ramsey Township: Line 211-211: Francis Harris 32 M wood chopper: Shows Milly H. 31 F, Ohio, Wm. F. 12 M Ill, Cidna? E. (Sidney) 10 F Ill, Peter L. 8 M Ill, John C. 5 M Ill, Barbara 3 F Ill. 1900 Macon County Census, South Macon Township, 13th of June, ED 67 Sheet 11, line 265-254: Peter L. Tolby head of household, W, M, Oct 1863, 36 Married, Farm Laborer Shows: Mary H., Zelma, Earl, Mary R. 1910 Macon County Censis, South Macon Township, 19th of April, ED 133, Sheet 2B, line 33-33: Peter L. Tolby, head of household, W, M, worked in grain elevator; Shows: Mary, Earl, Zelma, Ruby, Edna, Eva. Marriage license: 9/11/1895, Groom: Peter L. Tolby, born: Fayette County, Illinois, Parents: Green Tolby and Melinda Mathias; Place of Residence: Macon, Illinois, Farmer, Bride: Mary Houlihian, born: Coles County, Illinois; Parents: John Houlihian and Mary White; Place of Residence: Macon, Illinois, Witnesses: (Her Brother and his new wife) P. Houlihian and Josie Houlihian. Registered on 9/11/1898, on page 287 of Marriage Register (C or 6 can't tell by writing.) Children of Peter and Mary: a. Zelma Eulillian Tolby (Rose has her down as Alma E. I know that this is wrong and that Zelma Eulillian is correct. We always called her Aunt Zelma. I only have the documentation of 1900 and 1910 to support this, however. As far as anyone knows there was no Alma E.) Zelma was born 5/9/1896 in Macon County, Illinois and died 10/18/1989. She married Frank Lafayette Caldwell who was born 1/22/1896 and died 12/22/1982 in Clinton, Illinois. They had several children, but I'm not sure how far you want me to go here. b. Earl Lee Tolby was born 3/17/1897 in Macon County, Illinois and died 4/9/1977. He married Margaret B. Glosser who was born in 1901 and died in 1973. They had 2 children that I know of. I can give you more information on this line too, if you want. c. Mary Ruby Tolby was born 3/6/1900 and died 5/26/1984. She married Raymond Harvey 8/12/1918. They had 1 child, Arthur Earl Harvey who was born 3/26/1919 and died 1/19/1921 and is buried in Maroa, Illinois. d. Edna Marianne Tolby (This is my grandmother. My aunt, her daughter, says that Mother did not have a middle name, however, I keep finding documentation with a middle initial of M. and Vera's History has her middle name as Marianne. Peter and Mary gave all of the children at least one middle name, I can't imagine why they would not give grandma one, so I am going with Marianne.) Edna was born on 2/25/1903 and died November 20, 1965. She married my grandfather, Raymond B. McNattin on my birthday (although several years earlier thank goodness - ha ha) 10/6/1920 in Decatur, Illinois. Raymond was born 1/1/1989 in Lincoln, Logan County, Illinois and died 1/7/1984 in Champaign, Champaign County, Illinois. His parents were Frank McNattin and Laura Barger. Raymond and Edna's son was my daddy. Again I can give you the rest of us. e. Eva Marie Tolby born 1/4/1906 in Walker, Illinois and died 4/14/1992 in Clinton, Illinois. She married on November 9, 1924 to Ralph Aubrey Eaton. They also had several children. f. Margaret Rosalie Tolby was born 6/5/1912 and died October 4, 1990. She married Ralph Allen Smart. They had 2 children. g. George James Tolby was born 6/12/1918 and died 5/14/1964. He married Albertine Pelletier. That is absolutely all I know about them. Vera's book also has information about the children from the Malinda Mathias and the Frances Harris marriage. These would be Peter, William and Sydney's half brothers and sisters. I'm just not sure how much stuff ya'll want. Vera's History is like another gold mine! But it is mostly based around the Harris lines and although there are a lot of cross overs there is also quite a bit of information that has nothing to do with the Taulbee/Tolby/Talby lines. Subject: IV - Taulbee, Isaac D., Additions and Documentation Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:51:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:01:27 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Now for some further documentation that I have found. 1870 Fayette Faces: Fayette County Genealogical Society - Vandalia Illinois, 1870 Fayette County Census: page 171: Ramsey Township: Line 191-191 John Jackson (Second husband of Sidne Harris, first husband was James Taulbee.). John is 53 M farmer born in Tenn, Also listed are Sarah H. 23 F, Illinois, Elizabeth 20 F Illinois, Fannie 16 F, Illinois, Malinda 13 F, Illinois, Geo. W. 10 M. Illinois and Francis Wm. 6 M, Illinois. 1860 Fayett Faces: Fayette County Genealogical Society - Vandalia, Illinois 1860, Fayette County Census: page 196, Line 1314-1327. Ramsey Township, Luther Mathias, 28 M, farmer Ohio (This is Malinda Mathias brother. Malinda 1st marriage was to Nathaniel Greenberry/Greenlee Tolby) Peter 65, M, Pennsylvania, Elizabeth 53 F. Maryland, Peter W. 24 M Ohio, Mary J., 19 F Illinois. 1850 United States Census, Fayette County, Illinois, Decatur Genealogical Society copied these pages. Line 618-630, John Jackson, 32, Del. Farmer, Sydney F, 32, Tennessee, Thomas, 5, Illinois, David, 4, Illinois, Elizabeth 2, Illinois, Nathaniel Greelee 14, Illinois, Wm. J. 13, Illinois, Matilda J. 8, Illinois. Fayette County, Illinois, Marriage Index, 1821-1874, Printed by the Decatur Genealogical Society. James Tolby married Sidney Harris, page 7 Wm. J. Tolby married Melinda Nesby, page 9 Kentucky Soldiers of the War of 1812, Baltimore Genealogical Publishing Company, 1969 Roll of Captain Edward Berry's Company, Kentucky Detached Malitia, Lists a Jonathan Tolby as Private, Date of Appointment or Enlistment 11/10/1814 and To what time Engaged or Enlisted 12/8/1814, 6 months. Roll of Captain Daniel Garrard's Company, Second Regiment, Kentucky, Malitia Lists Isaac Tolby, Rank as Private, Date of Appointment or Enlistment 9/1/1812 and To what time engaged or Enlisted 10/1/1812. An index to the 1810 Federal Census of Kentucky, Volume I shows in Clay County Isaac Tolby c6-152b-16 and Saml. C6-153a-2. Fayette County Illinois Marriage Record 1821 - 1877 shows: Wm. Taulbee and Elisabeth Nowlin, L 3 Oct., 1842, both of age, M 11 Oct. 1842 by James Denton, J. P. Wm (X) Taulbee swore that Elizabeth Nowlin was over 18. Bk Old A, p. 20, 1. 16. Wm. A. Taulbee, age 25, of Ramsey and Sarah Ann Bowles, age 26 of Sharon, L. 26 Oct., 1874. Wm. A. (X) Taulbee made aff. M 29 Oct., 1874, by Edmond Boaz, M. G. L. ret 24 Nov., 1874. Bk Old B, p. 3, 1. 1, No. 91. I hope this has been of assistance. If you have any questions just ask. If you have something specific that you want me to look for, just let me know. I am only 15 miles from the Champaign County Archives, in Urbana, Illinois and would be happy to look things up. I Haven't finished going through Kentucky yet. Likewise, I didn't have all these names to double check, so will continue along that line as well. Vera has some copies of things and I think I will copy all of her book now and not just the part that pertains to the people I was specifically looking for. There are a lot of cross overs within the McCleary, Harris, and Taulbee families once they hit Illinois. I am very excited about all of this information and that I am not alone in the Taulbee hunt! Thank you for all that you as a group and individually have done! I am very impressed! Subject: Taulbee, nice job, Deb Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:00:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:07:23 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list That was a nice set of four posts, Deb (McPixie@aol.com) sent us. Deb, and the rest of you, post to the list whenever you believe you have something that will add to, document, or correct what we think we already have. February 14 Subject: TAULBEE, Isaac Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:47:22 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list It is finished, the page on Isaac Taulbee, mostly in Illinois. It the largest of the Taulbee pages so far, with over 233KB. It is also the most convoluted and agrevating of the lines, with cousins marrying cousins, brothers-in-law marring sisters-in-laws, or their widows, and cousins-in-laws marrying their widowed cousins-in-law. It is if they were unwilling to let money or property out of the immediate family. It is also a line which has caused me to question Rose's book. It is the worse line I have seen for not spelling a name the same way twice, giving different dates for the same event, and maybe some outright guessing. I think we need to increase the level of caution we use with Rose's book. I am going to take a few days off, to clear my head and give my mouse a rest, before starting to post the additions and correction, and documentation I have received. Would still like some ideas on how best to organize and present it. This is one long weekend I intend to enjoy. Subject: organization of data Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:32:19 -0800 From: "Glenn Martin" To: I wonder if it's feasible to put all the collected data into a GEDCOM format which could be downloaded into people's genealogy programs as a new file to be viewed (including notes for people with reference to sources of data). Perhaps this is too difficult. Subject: Re: organization of data Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:19:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:29:08 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: martin@reno.quik.com CC: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com References: 1 Glenn Martin wrote: > > I wonder if it's feasible to put all the collected data into a GEDCOM > format which could be downloaded into people's genealogy programs as a > new file to be viewed (including notes for people with reference to > sources of data). Perhaps this is too difficult. If someone wants to do that, it would be a project. I quit using my FTM because it just did not handle well the close circular marriages and all the duplicate names. Therefore, what I am doing is not convertable to Gedcom. One of our list cousins is putting quite a bit of the Taulbees on line in a gedcom to html format, but until she says she is ready to share, I cannot give out the URL. Maybe she will share with us an idea of what kind of a task that would be. I good gedcom will transfer all the notes as Glen is suggesting. Subject: Talbee, Edward, 1690s - 1709 MD Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:34:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:44:11 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Ref a post by Nadine in the January Archives, Maryland tax lists show our Edward paying taxes in 1700, 1701 and 1703 on land along the Gunpowder River in what was then Baltimore County. (Is in Anne Arundel now?). Of course his name was spelled differently each year. In "Baltimore County Families, 1659 - 1759" Edward is listed as having died by 1709, leaving 1 son age 3. This suggests to me that Edward was young when he died, maybe in his late 20s, no more than very eary thirties. This is of course, just a guess. I am thinking we need to look for and Edward Talbee in Rhode Island between 1670 and 1685. On my first visit to the LDS FHS, I found , in the AGI, an Edward Talbee born in Rhode Island at that time, with no other informationm not parents, not anything. Have not found him again yet in the IGI. If someone knows how to find out the submitter from the IGI, would they please tell me. The volunteer at the FHC are not always church members and so far have been unable to tell me. Also interesting was Nadine's discussion of the Birchfields, and the Brichfields who were listed as also living on the Gunpoweder with William Hitchcock. If you revisit Nadine's post, go to the archives for January from the Taulbee Pages and tell your browser to Gunpowder. That will take you right there. Nadine, hope you can find an even earlier tax list. Subject: TOLBY, Clay County, KY, 1811 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:34:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:43:54 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Found Isaac Tolby listed on 1811 Clay County Tax List on line at http://www.concentric.net/~spence1/tim/clay/tax/1811.html The notes indicate he is also on the 1810 census, which is under construction but not yet on line. There is also a Tolson listed, with no first name given. Rose Taulbee has Isaac moving to Kentucky from North Carolina about 1801-1803. He is not on the 1807 tax list which is on line at http://www.concentric.net/~spence1/tim/clay/tax/1807.html So if he did come before 1810, he may not have been in Clay County. The 1820 Census for Clay County is on line, but not complete but, Isaac and other family members show up on the 1820 Floyd County Census. I don't know the history of the way the county lines changed in KY enough to say if this means they moved or if the land they worked changed counties. Subject: Re: TOLBY, Clay County, KY, 1811 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:40:57 EST From: McPixie@aol.com To: moravia@doitnow.com "Clay County was carved out of Madison, Knox and Floyd Counties pursuant to an act of the General Assemby, approved December 2, 1806." This is from the Eastern and Southeastern Kentucky, Clay County, Kentucky Chapter V. It also lists Samuel and Isaac as part of the approximately 330 families living in Clay County in the year 1810. However, they spell the names different. Samuel Talby and Isaac Tolby. Isaac is also listed as enlisting in the war of 1812 in Kentucky. It looks like he was in for a month 9/1/1812 to 10/1/1812. It also lists a Jonathan Tolby Enlisting 11/10/1814 and out 12/8/1814. February 15 Subject: Judge James Franklin Taulbee paper Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:17:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:21:37 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com List cousins and researchers: I am currently applying to the Daughters of the American Revolution via the William Talbie line. I need some help to prove the lineage of William Barry Taulbee to his children, and more so my John Dial Taulbee as his son. I have attempted to send the James Franklin Taulbee paper, written by John Dial Taulbee and J.Frank Taulbee which would prove that John Dial Taulbee is the son of William Barry,however, the DAR holds this paper as "family tradition" since I have no signature of either party on the paper, no proof of documentation ie Volume,publisher,bible record,claimant to the record, history of the record ect. (In other words, I have a paper that could have been typed at any time and by anyone.) I have tried to find a bibliography on JF Taulbee or a record of his paper in the State Archives of Texas, at the DALLAS & FT. Worth library and have been unsuccessful. I have e-mailed several persons in regard to this document and have not received any info that would lead me to the source of this paper, my copy being originally from Mary Voth's genealogy work "found in Ft. Worth Texas" place unknown. Please, if anyone knows where this James Franklin Taulbee paper is recorded, or has a lead as to where it has been "found" before, contact me with your find. If anyone has documentation that would validate John Dial Taulbee as the son of William Barry Taulbee please notify me. The Rose Taulbee book is unacceptable to the DAR, also being held as "family tradition". Thank you, Nadine Subject: Indian Bottom Church, 1810 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:43:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:52:33 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Do any of you Taulbee enthusiasts know if the Indian Bottom Church, formed in 1810 as the first Church in Letcher County (then Clay County) still exists as an organized congregation today? One of the founders was our own Isaac Taulbee. It is mentioned on page 136 or Rose's book. I have a researcher interested in the Webb family that also helped form the church. -- Subject: Taulbee Book and Another Taulbee Web Page Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:23:54 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list I have uploaded to our closed pages another section of Rose's book, this time pages 160 - 169. We are rapidly bringing this project to a finish. I have also added Chrystal Sherron's Genealogy Web Site which contains a couple of massive surnames files in gedcom to html format and naturally contains a lot of Taulbees to the Taulbee Pages, and to William Ashford Taulbees Page. Her page is at http://www.eng.uc.edu/csherron/genealogy/index.html For Taulbee, click on the link for YOUNG|Surnames. I hope to be adding other Taublee Links whenever the page developers are finished. February 17 Subject: RE: Talbee, Edward, 1690s - 1709 MD Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:58:26 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: taulbee list , "'moravia@doitnow.com'" The Gunpowder River forms the southern border between present day Baltimore and Harford Counties. It is fed by two tributaries, Big Gunpowder Falls and Little Gunpowder Falls. Big Gunpowder lies entirely within Baltimore County; Little Gunpowder forms another part of the Baltimore/Harford County borders. Rose's book states that Edward "paid tax on the north side of Gunpowder." This leads one to believe that this referred to a town or village. I located a place called Gunpowder on Mapquest and drove down there to check it out over lunch today. I am assuming that it is the same place. It sits on somewhat of a bluff of land, probably equidistant between Big Gunpowder and Little Gunpowder Falls (probably about 1 mile from either). The place now consists of about 7-8 houses, several of which look to be perhaps pre-Revolutionary era (perhaps they were taverns, stores, or liveries at the time). Probably the next thing for me to do would be to check in Balt County records for some history on Gunpowder (#2,384 on my "to do" list). In any event, none of the above is part of Ann Arundel County. I posted this so no one wastes their time chasing down AA Cnty records. I sincerely believe you'd be on the wrong track there, since that county is down around Annapolis. February 19 Subject: RE: Talbee, Edward, 1690s - 1709 MD Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:13:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:18:34 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: "'XCRY49A@prodigy.com'" CC: "'taulbeepages'" , "'steve'" , "'matt'" Walter - thank you for the info. As I mentioned yesterday, I made a trip to the Joppatowne library yesterday. I found no direct leads on Edward beyond the info I already know, but I did find some interesting books on the history of the area which lend some insight into the demography and economy of the area during Edward's time. Actually, I've read that Edward lived "on the north side of Gunpowder." Given the fact that both both Little and Big Gunpowders run mostly north and south, I am assuming that the reference was probably to the colonial village of Gunpowder, and not the river or rivers (although I could be wrong). The village (now consisting of a cluster of just a few houses) is situated roughly two miles or so northwest of Joppa (now Joppatowne). >From my research I've learned that Joppa during Edward's time was a bustling and raucous port area, with much tobacco trading going on. Much of what was then the Gunpowder River was apparently silted in by about 1768 by deforestation. That, coupled with the successful competition of neighboring Baltimore city as a harbor, essentially spelled the demise of Joppa. It is interesting to note that "'by 1814 nothing was left of Joppa, except St. John's Church in a state of decay and four dwellings.'" (From "The Church in Gunpowder Hundred; St. John's 1692-1817; The Church of The Resurrection 1965; Copley Parish Gunpowder Hundred 1986", by C. Holden Rogers; published July 1975.) I guess our Talbees, like most of their contemporaries, did the sensible thing and got out of Dodge. Judging by Hitchcock's will, he appeared to hold a great deal of land in the area (300+ acres). > ---------- > From: XCRY49A@prodigy.com[SMTP:XCRY49A@prodigy.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 7:00 PM > To: Taulbee, Gerald H. > Subject: RE: Talbee, Edward, 1690s - 1709 MD > > Hi Jerry, The three tracks of land mentioned in William Hitchcox's > will were "Bendell Green," "Timber Hall," and "Richardson's Reserve." > He was a neighbor of Edward Tolby on the north side of the Gunpowder > River. Edward Tolby is said to have owned land on Back River also. > This river is further south and near the town of Essex, Maryland. > I'm sure you know about this if you are in the area now. > It seems that one track of the Hitchcox land was located near the > Loch Raven Dam and Reservoir but then it has been many years since I > was in the area and I don't remember all the details of that area. > That's about all the help that I can give you at the present. Walter > Clay Rose > February 20 Subject: Taulbee William Barry Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:53:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:23 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list I have been trying out my new notebook word processor at the genealogy library and it looks like the much smaller keyboard is going to take some getting used to.By the appearance of the text in the post, wo will the line feeds. Anyway, this is the only source outside of Rose's book I have found which claims that William Barry Taulbee was a son of William Hitchcock Taulbee. Unfortunately the date of 1994 does not tell me if the submitter had independant information. Nadine, you should be able to reach the submitter via the Hitchcock list on rootsweb. If he does not subscribe, someone will know him. Marylanders to Carolina Migration of Marylanders to North Carolina and South Carolina Prior to 1800 Henry C. Pelden, Jr. Family Line Publications Rear 63 East Main Street Westminister, Maryland 21157 1964 Page 183 TALBEE, Samuel Samuel Talbee married Elizabeth Hitchcock, daughter of William Hitchcock, Jr., on December 1, 1736 in Baltimore County, Maryland. Their Children were Ann Talbee (married William Higgins)**, Asaell Talbee, Zephaniah Talbee (married Mary Woolling), Emilie Talbee, William Hitchcock Talbee (Taulbee), Samuel Talbee, Isaac Talbee, Elizabeth Talbee, (married Richard Rhodes), and Mary Talbee (married James Kennedy). Samuel Talbee leased land from Thomas Berewood on "My Lady's Manor" and led to a court case (Baltimore County Chancery Court, Vol. 25, pp. 625 -631). Part of this record in 1792 stated that Samuel Talbee's son Zephaniah remained in Maryoand and his parents had gone to NOrth Carolina (Orange Count). The first record of Samuel Talbee in North Carolina is in 1783, but it is believed that he was there in 1776. "William Hitchcock Talbee, son of Samuel, is listed as William talby in Capt. William Williams' Company, 7th Orange County, North Carolina Militia, on August 2, 1776. He appears in the Wilkes County land records in 1778, and migrated to Kentucky in 1817 (Perry County). This line of the Talbee family changed the spelling of their name to "Taulbee." William Hitchcock Taulbee married Margaret Canady and their children were Elizabeth Taulbee, Samuel Taulbee, Isaac D. Taulbee, Nancy Taulbee, William Barry Taulbee, James Taulbee, and Mary (Poly) Taulbee (Ref: Information contributed by Robert E. Hedgcock, of Fruitland Park, Florida, in 1994). **This is HUGGINS in Rose's book. Subject: Taulbee- James Franklin Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:39:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:42:39 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Bob, thank you so much for the information re the Migration of Marylanders to North Carolina....I have recently discovered a letter from Mary Voth (the William Harrison Taulbee line) in which Mary Voth discusses discovery of the James Franklin Taulbee papers at the home of George Taulbee in 1940's "while in Ft. Worth Texas to visit my grandmother and some other family members". Mary Voth explained in her letter that the wife of George Taulbee allowed her to copy the bible paper and lineage. With a copy of the letter and the copy of the document with & without the corrections made by the most excellent researcher, the late Mary Voth, my information is "Prooven". Along the lines of James Franklin Taulbee, who incidentally, I've found no proof to be a judge but an excellent attourney at Georgetown Texas....I have coming soon a transcription of a tape made by JF Taulbee in which he discusses Williamson County Texas history(and I hope a little family genealogy as well.) Everyone has been very supportive in this effort, and I am currently working on a Sesquisentinial paper for James Franklin Taulbee and his life at Georgetown Texas as they prepare to honor their founders. Now, re Samuel Taulbee of Maryland to North Carolina..."Marylanders to North Carolina" stated he was first recorded in North Carolina 1783, however, our Samuel Taulbee was listed in Poll of Orange Election for Delegates to represent said County in the Congress of November 28, 1776 Petition. Again, Orange County Records: Poll of Orange County Election for Delegates to represent said county in Congress(Provisional Congress) 28 Nov 1778 pg.18 list Samuel Talby. I'll keep you posted on the transcription of the tape "James Franklin Taulbee" Nadine February 21 Subject: Taulbee searchable data base Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:42:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:13:10 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list CC: Carole Hammett The KY GenWeb Coordinator has created a new county for the Commonwealth of Kentucky, called Taulbee Obituaries. Actually, it had to be created as a subdirectory for Kentucky in order for the new Genweb national query search engine to work. I am going to enter all of our obits into it so they can be searched nationally by every surname in the obit. If you come across obituaries that are not in our data base, please enter them. If you have been wondering if there was something you could do to help, this is it. Just let me know first so I know what you are doing. I am going to enter the T surnames first. They must be entered one by one, so it will take some time, mainly cut and paste and fill in the subject field. The way this works is you enter the entire name of the deceased followed by each surname included in the obituary. We have so many examples of each surname, that unless we enter the entire name, no one will know which obit to look at. An example would be: MARY JANE BIRCHFIELD TAULBEE, DUNN, STAMPER, LYKINS, ROSE Then the obit is pasted into the text field. There is a place for your email. If this is your obit, post you own. If it is on the page, I will let you know what to use when you tell me you will help. That is all there is to it except that all this is done at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Ky/TaulbeeObits/index.cgi You can also use that URL to search the entire national database. If you make an error when posting, just let me know and I can delete it right away. This project and entering the web page corrections and additions you have been sending me will occupy my next few weeks. Subject: RE Taulbee- Allen Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:34:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:45:25 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list I believe Joe intended this for the list. It is a well documented family tree he found. It is posted just in case it connects with some of the Taulbee Allens. Contact him directly if interested. I have some information of Allen family contained in a family tree I found while cleaning a rent house. Lafayette S. Allen born Nov 1855 in Tenn., married Hattie ? born Dec 1875 in Missouri Children from this marriage are: Herman Allen, born Oct 1875 in Indian Territory now Oklahoma Eulu Allen born June 1894 in Indian Territory now Oklahoma Second marriage of Lafayette S. Allen.....Frances Paralee Truitt Allen born 1862 in Wright, Missouri, died 1888 in Indian Territory now Oklahoma Children from this marriage are: Lillie M. Allen born Nov 1880 in Benton, Arkansas Minnie Zipporah Allen born Mar 4, 1883 in Indian Territory now Afton, Oklahoma, died Nov 27, 1943, married John Allen Gentry. James I. Allen born Nov 1884 This family tree is about 71 pages long, birth certificates, marriages certificates, Indian roll applications, etc. If these are your people e mail me at JChild8629@aol.com and if it is a match I will send this to you. Jack Childers in Oklahoma City February 22 Subject: TOLBY photos Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:21:09 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Have just uploaded to our on line album the three phots sent by Deb (McPixie@aol.com). They are easy to identify because they say TOLBY, not Taulbee, or they say DEB. A hint about the photos, These images display better in a photo viewing program like VuePrint or a photo finish program than they do in a web browser. Subject: Sarah Etta Taulbee, a conflict of information Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:46:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:57:39 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list CC: Corbet This part of the information Corbett sent us conflicts with what is in Rose's book: >From Corbett's information: Generation No. 1 1. JAMES MADISON2 ALLEN (DANIEL WEBSTER 1) was born February 18, 1864 in Magoffin Co. Kentucky, and died January 02, 1928. He married (1) LOUISA MARGARET KEATON January 17, 1891. He married (2) SARAH ETTA TAULBEE 1898 in Magoffin Co. Kentucky, daughter of JOHN TAULBEE and PHOEBE RATLIFF. He married (3) HATTIE JANE RITCHIE November 1909. Notes for JAMES MADISON ALLEN: The 1900 Magoffin County Kentucky census lists James Madison Allen and Sarah Taulbee as family #196, Johnsons Fork Pct., James had 3 children by his first wife-- Louisa Margaret Keeton-- and 2 by his second wife--Sarah Taulbee. It is rumored that James Madison Allen went by the name Monroe. Donald R. Cochran states that Viola (Allen) Cochran called him Monroe consistantly. Edna Richardson states that James Divorced Mararet Keaton because they found her in bed with another and then married Lizzie Lykins. They never had any children and James and Margarets children ran her off divorced. AKA James Monroe Allen Notes for SARAH ETTA TAULBEE: there may be some confusion on the birth and death date. Corbet Cochran Sr. puts the date of birth in 1875 and the death in 1907 and Marcus Allen puts the date of death on April 22 1897. Also there may be a discrepancy about the marriage. Corbet Cocran Sr put the marriage in 1898 as well as Edna Richardson. Donald R. Cochran states that Sarah Taulbee was stabbed to death by Floyd Allen over a family arguement. Apparently Floyd Allen went to jail for a number of years. He further stated that Sarah was pretty mean to the children. It is also rumored that Sarah was Cherokee Indian. More About SARAH ETTA TAULBEE: Fact 1: 2nd wife of 4 Fact 2: killed by Floyd Allen Fact 3: magoffin county Kentucky Fact 4: Frank Taulbee May still be alive, Malone KY, Morgan co. Fact 5: Stale Taulbee may still be alive >From Rose's Book: JOHN DIAL TAULBEE s/o Wm.B., Wm.H., Samuel Born 12-21-1826 Perry County, KY He owned a hotel in Texas Md. 4-20-1848 Morgan County, KY Died 11-24-1910 Waxahachie, Texas PHOEBE RATLIFF Born 1832 Died Waxahachie, Texas Children Celia Mary Jane James Franklin Donald Jackson Granville Haney Martha Ann Win. Jasper John Riley Sarah Emeline Cynthia Ellen 279 VI WILLIAM BARRY TAULBEE'S HISTORY John Dial Taulbee's family DONALD JACKSON TAULBEE or David s/o John D., Wm.B., Wm.H., Samuel Born 1862 no info SARAH EMALINE TAULBEE d/o John d., Wm.B., Wm.H., Samuel b. 1864 died Waxaxhashie, Texas did not marry Naturally both of these cannot be correct. If anyone has any specific documentation to help us resolve this conflict, would they please post it to the list. Corbett, would you send me any "paper documentation" you have, or lacking that, which oral history you might have. Either Rose is incorrect in her information, or the Sarah your James Madison Allen married was a different Sarah than the daughter of John Dial. There certainly are enough Sarahs and we need hard documentation to resolve such conflicts. Unfortunately, Rose's documentation was destroyed when she died. List cousins, any information you might have will be appreciated. Subject: Taulbee, the two Sarahs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:56:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:03:16 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Yesterday I posted a conflict between the information Corbett sent us and what is in Rose's book. Our cousin Nadine sent this to me this evening and then remembered that she forgot to include the list as an address. She asked me to pass it on. ----- Bob, Here is what I found at the library. 1910 Federal Census Ellis County Texas ED116 Sheet 31 Vol46 John T.Shanon age 50 Tex/Ireland/Georgia : md2 : 1yr Sarah T.Shanon age 45 Ky/Illinois/Ky :md 1: 1 yr *Note, this is John Dial Taulbee's daughter Sarah ref: John Dial Taulbee obit daughter"Mrs.John T.Shannon" the "T." stands for Taulbee. Proof that Sarah married John T. Shanon at age 44. 1910 Federal Census Ellis County,Texas city of Waxahachie: pg 95B line 59-63 ED117,Vol46,Sheet 108 William McClanahan hoh,w,m, age48, m2: 6 yr; Tex/Va/NC Ellen " wife,w;fe; age37;m1;6yr;children 1;living 1; Ky/Ky/Ky Mary D. " daughter ; age 4; Tx/Va/Ky Harris " son : age 19 w;m;s; Va/Va/Va JOHN D.TAULBEE father in law; w;m;age 83; Ky/Ky/Ky * As per the obituary, Cynthia Ellen Taulbee became Mrs William McClanahan about 1904 at Waxahachie Texas, she had one daughter at the age of 33, Mary D.McClanahan. Though listed in the household of Cynthia Ellen, John Dial Taulbee died at the residence of his daughter Sarah. I would think this conclusively prooves the line of Sarah Emeline Taulbee as d/o John Dial Taulbee. Her listed dod from Ellis County Records is : Sarah E. Taulbee Shanon died Ellis County Oct 14, 1927 Bureau of Vital Statistic#33294 Dept.Health Death Record Division State of Texas. Intered at City Cemetery Addition 5 Block 7 Waxahachie Texas. Nadine Nadine also sent me some scanned images from the 1870 and 1880 census plus a scanned image of John Dial Taulbee's obituary in Texas which mention a married daughter Sarah, despite what Rose said. These are on our closed page at These images take up a lot of web space, so I won't leave them there more than a couple of days. Corbett sent me a very large Family Tree Maker file, but it is in the newer version and I do not intend to upgrade. I will ask him to extract just the Sarah information and resend. As soon as we can see if Corbett has anything other than Family tradition to support his belief that his Sarah is a daughter of John Dial Taulbee, we should come to some kind of concensus, but I think we should wait until all the evidence is laid out. FEBRUARY 24 Subject: Two Sarah's....Maybe three! Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:12:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:18:09 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com While comparing all notes this a.m. have found some intesting comparisons: 1880 Magoffin Ky Census 1880 Morgan Ky Census James Taulbee age 53 John Taulbee age 63 Hannah(Burton) 46 Pheby(Ratliff) age 49 Elizabeth 20 David age 18 William J. 18 Sarah age15 Lewisco 16 Granville age 13 (illegible fe) 18 Ellen age 10 Mary 11 Sarah 5 James 6/12 AJ 14 Also, in my notes there was a Sarah Etta Taulbee enumerated with the King family at Wolfe County in 1870 (NA Roll 503 p.438) James Taulbee & Hannah's daughter wouldn't have even been born yet.....and John Dial Taulbee's daughter would have been 5 yrs old.....but she's on record in the household of John Dial Taulbee in 1870 at MORGAN County. I have no record of John Dial Taulbee and daughter Sarah ever having lived in Magoffin County Kentucky. The family left Morgan County and went to Texas in 1882....evidenced by 1.James Franklin Taulbee record of lineage 2.John Dial Taulbee obit 3.Marriage record of David Jackson Taulbee in Waxahachie Texas dated 03 July 1890 to Sallie B. Bethel.(David was son of John Dial Taulbee). In order to help Corbet discover the parentage of Sarah Etta Taulbee, we need to find that census of the King family in 1870....1.Does it state Sarah Etta Taulbee? Do we know her age? 2.Need the marriage record of the Sarah Taulbee to Daniel Allen in Magoffin 3. Need info ie,newspaper,court record,prison record on the death of Sarah Taulbee Allen. I know she's buried at the Allen Cemetery in Magoffin. Is there a stone? Nadine Subject: Correction to the 1880 Census Post previously sent Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:24:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:30:12 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com I have no idea why my printer did this! Let me correct the census info: 1880 MAGOFFIN Co,Ky Taulbee,JAMES age 53 " Hannah age 46 (this is Hannah Burton wife of James) " Elizabeth age 20 (daughter) " William J age 18 (son) " Lewisco age 16 (daughter) " (illegibl) age 18(daughter) " Mary age ll (daughter) " Sarah age 5 (daughter) " James age6/12 (son) A.J. male servant age 17 1880 MORGAN Co,Ky Taulbee, John age 63 (This is John Dial Taulbee " ,Pheby age49 " ,David age 18 " ,Sarah age 15 " ,Gramville age 13 " ,Ellen age 10 Sorry for the confusion. Nadine Subject: Sarah #3 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:00:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:06:24 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Yes, I knew I'd seen it someplace...there was a third Sarah Taulbee: Listed in the Federal Census of Wolfe County Kentucky 1870: Taulbee, Archibald age 45 " Elizabeth age 39 " William age 20 " Susannah age 18 " James age 14 " Archibald age 13 " SARAH E. age 11 " Jonas McL age 7 " Isaac J age 5 " Hannah J. age 2 This family is listed on page #280 of Rose's Book and will identify Archibald Taulbee/son of James Taulbee/ son of William H. Taulbee/ son of Samuel. I don't know if this answers any questions or made more questions....but does confirm that there were three child Sarah Taulbee's at the same time in the 1870 Census of Kentucky. Nadine Subject: Sarah Etta Taulbee Allen Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:13:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:19:36 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com An interesting note,, Rose writes in her book the Suzanna Taulbee Allen's son Daniel Allen married a "kissing cousing"....Sarah Etta Taulbee. Now, I'm talking with my family,who knew John Dial Taulbee's Sarah....lots of interesting oral history, as Sarah Taulbee Shanon is up my grandfathers side, but known to my grandmother (ninety yrs of age) since her uncle Ozment lived with the Shanons in 1910 at Waxahachie.....anyway, the term "kissing cousin" means that a brother and a sister have children that marry or are involved in a relationship. To my satisfaction at least, John Dial Taulbee's Sarah has been "evidenced" not to be the "kissing cousin" that married Daniel Allen......so I thought, why would Rose write that?! WELL! Archibald Taulbee married Elizabeth Burton on August l,1846 If James Taulbee married Hannah Burton (and I know he did) and if Hannah & Elizabeth are sisters.....then the "kissing cousin " storey pans out! NOT on the male side, on the female side. Can we verify that they were sisters? Nadine Subject: Sarah E. Taulbee Shannon Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:15:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:20:53 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com I have just received confirmation on marriage record and death record. John T. Shannon married MISS Sarah TALBEE Sept. 2,1908 at Waxahachie,Ellis County Texas. The marriage licence will arrive here in 3 days and I'll send a copy to Bob. Death record dated October 14, 1927 at Ellis County,Texas Sarah E. Shannon #33294 Bureau of Vital Statistics, Austin Texas. I don't think Rose did any investigation on this family after 1900 on Census ect. She must have received news of John Dial's death from someone else.These records I'm finding on John Dial Taulbee's family are all at the library in cemetery,death, marriage, and newspaper records. All of the Ellis County Records are easily accessable and all are intact. I'll send corrections to Rose's book to the appropiate address, please advise. Nadine Subject: Rose Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:41:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:42:24 EST From: Annacarole@aol.com To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Please keep in mind that Rose could not doc. everything she put in the book, and took a lot of info from other people's research. The book was written early 1980's and she was very ill toward the last and in a nursing home. Census are only released after 70+ years and the 1910 and 1920 were not available to Rose at that time, this is the reason she only gives 1900 Census as proofs. Since that time, the KY etc index for death and births have been released, along with the Soc. S. indexes and the WEB. We are very lucky that today there is so much research material available, and it was not so in the time frame that Rose did her research. Hats off to a great lady and all her hard research when research was just that. Subject: taulbee book, more pages Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:20:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:31:03 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list All but ten pages of Rose's book are now on line on our closed page. Louise reported that she did not include page 114 because it gave her a headache. It is a chart of Margaret Taulbee Dunn's relatives, and the format can be difficult to present in a text document. If I can get a clean copy, and my original does not look to bad, I will post a gif of the page after I free up some web space. Speaking of freeing up web space, you have all had time to look at Corbett's post and the census images and obituary of John Dial Taulbee Nadine has sent. I will be taking them off to get more web space. If you need a little longer let me know, or you can request them via email later. I will not be throwing them away. This website of ours is now busting 17 megabytes. If you don't shower Carole, Jill, and Louise with thanks yous, and kudos, you don't deserve anymore gifts from them. Better hold off on sending flowers until you check with their significant others. Carole Subject: Kudos Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:18:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:24:24 EST From: McPixie@aol.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Bob is right. You all deserve big THANKS! You have all done such a wonderful job!!!!!!!!!! THANKS! FEBRUARY 26 Subject: "kissing cousins" Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:51:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:59:05 -0500 From: Kenny Profitt To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com References: 1 I confess I did not try to completely follow who the two or three Sarahs were in the recent discussion, but a term used caught my eye. Nadine wrote "the term "kissing cousin" means that a brother and a sister have children that marry or are involved in a relationship." Although perhaps correct, this definition is at odds with what I learned the term meant when I was young. As a child growing up in Wolfe County my grandparents told me that "kissing cousins" refered to grandchildren of brothers and sisters, not children, who marry or are involved in a relationship. Kenny Profitt Subject: Thanks Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:52:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:58:31 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: "'taulbeepages'" As a follow-up to Bob's message of yesterday, I want to add my personal thanks to Carole, Jill, Louise, and Bob for all their efforts. I feel very fortunate to have the Taulbee Pages and all of you. The genealogy of the Taulbee clan is something which has fascinated me for years. Previous to "discovering" all of you, the process had been very frustrating to me, with many false starts along the way. My biggest complaint over the years has been that the thing is so time-consuming, and that is why I am so grateful that we have each other, so that we can pool resources and thereby avoid duplication of effort. I must also say that I feel guilty about not coming through on my promise a month or so ago to post military records for certain Taulbees. As usual, I've been busy, but when things slow down a bit I will post them. The records I have are for the following: William Harrison Taulbee (my great-great grandfather) Miles K. Taulbee Western C. Taulbee Milton H. Taulbee Paul S. Taulbee, Jr. (my uncle) James M. Taulbee (my great-uncle) Edgar Warren Taulbee Joseph Fulton Taulbee If anyone out there is anxious to see these records before I post them to the list, please let me know and perhaps I could fax or mail a copy. Jerry Taulbee Subject: Kissing Cousins Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:12:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:19:15 EST From: JChild8629@aol.com To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com I was raised in Iowa and learned as a child that a kissing cousin was literally a first cousin. it was OK to kiss them, but not to go any further. Strange how different parts of the country have different meanings for the same thing. Subject: Thanks & More Thanks Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:14:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:20:21 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Me Too, Jill, Louise, Carol, thanks for the typing. Cousins, thanks for the sharing. Carol said something yesterday that played on my heartstrings....how very thankful I am that a lady named Rose dug thru a hundred or more census', wrote hundreds of letters, looked at hundreds more of marriage records and the like, she did it the hard way, and she did it for the name of "Taulbee".....a special thank you today for you, Rose. Subject: Thank you Carole, Jill, Louise and Bob Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:32:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:39:34 EST From: Kjaia To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com (taulbee list) Carole, Jill, Louise and Bob - You deserve a big THANK YOU! I am so grateful I found all of you when I did. With all your hard work, I was able to piece the Taulbee information I was not able to find until recently. I had very little info on my 2nd gr-grandparents, John Sebastian and Margaret Taulbee Sebastian. With all of you, I have now pieced together names/dates going back to my 6th great grandparents, Mary and Edward Talbee. This was so exciting. Thank you so much. Shirley Stutler DuFrene FEBRUARY 27 Subject: TALBY a few notes Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:56:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:03:58 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list A few more notes to help us trace the movements of the Talby clan in the Bay Colony. These do not include the execution of Dorothy. A report of the Records Commissioners containing Boston Births, Baptisms, Marriages, and Deaths 1630 - 1699 Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, City Printers 1883 1663 City Document Number 130 Town Births and Baptisms [page 89] Stephen of Stephen & Hannah Talbye born Aug. 9 [page 97] 1665 Samuel of Stephen & Hanna Talbye born Jan. 9 1664 [page 94] Stephen of Stephen and Hannah Tolby died July 1st. 1671 [page 120] John of Stephen and Hannah Tolby born May 4. Suffolk County Wills Abstracts of the Earliest Wills Upon record in the County of Suffolk, Massachussetts >From the New England Historical and Genealogical Register Genealogical Publishing Co., INC. Baltimore 1984 [page 207] Alice Place & Hannah Talby deposed 11: 9mo: 62. The History of Salem Massachusetts By Sidney Perley Salem, MA 1924 Vol 1 1626 - 1637 [page 240] March 20, 1636-7, the town ordered that "all fences" be repaired before April 1st "wth either post and rails or bound wth poles of laths on each side wthin a foote & a half of the Topp, or some other way sufficientlie, as the surveiors shall approue of." The surveyors of fences had general charge of them. The first fence surveyors mentioned, which was at this time, were Jacob Barney and Jeffrey Massie for the fences "bordering from JOhn Talbies Lott along the North River to Jno Symonds house".... [pages 271-272] The following is a copy of a letter sent by the church in Salem to the church in Dorchester:- Salem 1. 5[May]. [16]39 reverend and deerly belouved in the Lord. wee though it our bounden duty to acquaynt you with the names of fuch perfons as have had the creat cenfure past vpon them in this our church, with the reafons therof. Befeeching you in the Lord not only to reade their names in publike to yours, but alfo to giue vs the like notice of any dealt with in like manner by yours that fo wee may walk towards them accordingly; for fome of vs here haue had communion ignorantly withy fuch as haue bin cast out of other churches. John talby for much pride, and unnaturalnes to his wife, who was lately executed for murdering her child. [page 316] Shows John Talby in 1652 as owner of a ten acre lot in the south field. The lot bordered the South River. The map shows these to be very long and narrow lots. [page 362] John Talby lived in Salem in 1636. His wife was named Dorothy; and for frequently laying hand on her husband, to the danger of his life, and contemning the authority of the court, she was sentecned by the Salem court June 27, 1637. to be chained to a post; being allowed to "come to the place of god's worship," until she repented. They had a daughter Difficulty baptized here December 25, 1636. The mother was convicted of the murder of the child, and hanged Dec. 6, 1638. Mr. Talby was living in Salem in 1654. [[This last sentence refers to John Talby, Jr. John Sr. died in 1645]] At a town meeting, July 11, 1636, John Talby was granted an acre house lot "next to the Marshalls," and Benjamin Felton was granted a similar lot next to Mr. Talby's. At the same time Thomas Moore, son of widow Moore, and his wife were received as inhabitants. She was widow of Thomas Moore, and pursued the vocation of a midwife. [page 454-466] In the book of grants of land in Salem there is a list of names of persons to whom grants had been made, together with the number of acres granted, bearing the date of 1636. The letter "f" following some of the names probably means that they are freemen. The list follows:- [page 455] Following the name of Mr. Maverick was written and the cancelled: "Ricd Huchenson tho: Gouldthait Jno Talbie f. 30. Wm Jeggles. Wm Lord." [page 458] John Talbie 30 aboue Mr. Cole. [page 460] The following list,in the handwriting of Roger Conant, occupies two leaves of the town records. It is apparently a record of the division of the marsh and meadow ordered to be assigned and laid out to the families at a town meeting, Dec. 25, 1637. The figure before each name gives the number of persons in the family. the figure after each name gives the amount of land to which each one was entitled, as one acre, three-quarters, one half. Families consisting of three persons or less apparently had at first three quarters and afterwards only two quarters; of four of five persons three quarters of an acre; and of six or more persons an acre. The figure "1" means one acre, "1-2" or "2" one half and "1-3" or "3" three fourths. Where three-quarters of an acre was granted and was afterwards reduced the one-half, the "3" in brackets was crossed out and "2" written after it. [page 363] Jo Talby 3 [[4 or 5 persons in the family]] Vol 2 Pg 52 John Talby died in thewinter of 1644-5, leaving children: Anne, living in 1645; John, eldest son, living in Salem as late as 1657, an idle man, of whose support the town took charge; and Stephen, who, in 1757, commanded the ketch Adventurer which saild between Boston and London. In volume 1, page 362 it state that Mr. Talby was living in Salem in 1654; but this statement has reference to his son John, and not to his father who had died nime years before. [page 221] John Talby, December 24, 1655, was to be put out as a servant to Robert Moran or some other man for one year, at the expense of the town. Jan. 29, 1655-6, Henry Cooke agreed to take him for a year, the town to supply him shirs, cloth to make a coat, covering for a bed and some things to make a bed, Cook to have eight bushels of Indian corn. Aug. 4, 1656, the selectmen "Ordered that John Talbey being commonly noted for a person spending his time idly and unprofitably: we think it meet that he should be sent to the next magistrate to be employed accordingly (provided for such persons)." Aug 22, 1657, the town voted that George Corwin and Jacob Barney appear at the Ipswich court to inform it of John Talbe, and advise about putting him in the house of correction at Ipswich. Lawrence Southwick was paid twenty shillings for keeping Talby and seventeen shillings for things laid out to him. [[for Louise Gaskill:}} [page 53] these glassmakers were joined by Lawrence Southwick, who had half an acre of land here before April 17, 1639, when the town granted him half an acre adjoining thereto. In theApring of 1639, these three constituted the glassmakers here. LAWRENCE SOUTHWICK, tradition says, originated in Lancashire,married Cassandra _____; they were admitted to the church in Salem April 24, 1639; they were banished as Quakers from the Colony in 1659, and went to water to Shelter Island, L. I., where they died in the sunner of 1660; Children: 1. John born 1620; 2 Mary, born in 1630; married Henry Trask, Josiah, born in 1632; Provided, born in 1635, died in 1640; Daniel, born in 1637; 6. Provided, born Dec ___, 1641; married Samuel Gaskill. There are 3 pages of descendants of Lawrence Southwick, let me know if you want them.[[ End of for louise]] [page 359] Adventure. Ketch. This vessel was owned by William Payne of Boston in October, 1657, Stephen Talby, master. The owner purposed to send it on a voyage to England, on account of Simon Bradstreet, on an adventure to London, with sugar consigned to Peter Cole of London, merchant, Dec. 17, 1657. Subject: Taulbee, the 3 Sarahs Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:33:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:42:11 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list Our cousin Nadine has sent me a scanned image of the marriage license of Sarah E. Taulbee and John Shannon, issued on 2 Sept 1908 and returned the next day. We can safely say that she was married, and correct that part of Rose's book. She also sent me a scanned image of the probate application showing that her husband survived her. There is the kind of error in these papers that drive us nuts. The papers are dated January 1927, saying she died on or about October 1927. Obviously, one of the dates is in error. Fortunately, Nadine send another image of an earlier Probate filing dated December, 1927, so we can establish that she died in 1927. This is excellent work on Nadine's part. I am not going to post these images, but you may want to make note of them in your records. Subject: two documents Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:43:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:50:38 EST From: Annacarole To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Nadine that was a great research. This is the problem with research. It is seldom that you find the same dates, etc twice. This month a man died in Middletown of one of my families. His birth date was the 12th. When I looked in the Birth index, he was born on the 14th. Which one is correct. Who made the mistake? In working in Wolfe county, I have one Man, whose obit, stone and birth index do not match. How do you determine the correct date? Just when you think you have found your proof, someone else comes along with another doc. and they think they have found the solid proof. This is why I try not to judge other people's work, etc. I knew some of the obits were wrong when I typed them, but I can not change them, anymore than I changed the census. Boy did I want to. The spelling, etc. But that's not the way to copy info, records, they are to be copied the way they are written and let the reader determine their answers. This is one reason, I didn't want Rose's book changed, however I did correct some of the typos (and made a few of my own), but I did not change any info. Carole FEBRUARY 28 Subject: Taulbee-Combs obits Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:16:49 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee list , combs list An update on a new USGENWEB page for the couple of thousand obits Carole Bays saved and sent to our website, and Louise Gaskill, who belongs to both our lists, has slaved over extracting the genealogical information: A page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Ky/TaulbeeObits/index.cgi has been set up to receive these obits and forward them on the the USGENWEB searchable obit project archives where they will be available via the obit search engine. You can search the nation, or any state of county, from this, or any of the other similar pages which are on some of the county pages. The National search engine will search for any name in the subject field. The county search engine will search for all names in the text of the obit. The second option requires you to have an idea of what county to search. Our page is designed to accept obits from the entire nation, but was set up as a subdirectory of Kentucky because that was easier than any other method. So don't laugh when you see TaulbeeObits listed as a county of Kentucky, or find Ohio obits among the entries. I will be entering all the obits Carole and Louise have sent me, maybe at about 100 per week or so. Taulbee First, then Combs, then the rest. As you can see from the example obit attached, Taulbee and Combs are often the same. Carole filed the obits under the woman's maiden name, and that is how they appear on the Taulbee Pages. They are going into the new page under the married names since the search engine eliminated the need to distinguish one from the other. TAULBEE, MARTHA ELLEN (COMBS), 72 d. Dec. 19, 1992 in Jackson, KY d/o Crusaw Taulbee and Nettie Hollon md. Albert Combs (dec'd) Children: Ishmael Combs, Eugene Combs, Albert Combs, Jr. Larry Combs, all of Winchester, KY, Hiram Combs, Walter Combs, both of Campton, Ruthie Knack and Mary Morton, both of Campton Brenda Mills and Sharon Profitt,both of Winchester Linda Combs of Lexington 21 grandchildren & 8 great grandchildren Sister of: Hiram Taulbee of Georgia and Shelton Taulbee of Campton, Mary Dunn and Maudie Gilbert both of Campton Buried: Combs Cemetery Shackelford Funeral Home Refer to Taulbee Pages for Source information This went into the subject field as MARTHA ELLEN TAULBEE COMBS, HOLLON, KNACK, MORTON, PROFITT, DUNN, GILBERT so that all surnames would be searched by the national search engine, eliminating the need for knowing what county to look in. This is important since we are not actually a county, but a national page, and searching a county could miss the entry. This will do somthing else in the future as more obits are entered nation wide into the entire system. Suppose we had a record of Albert Combs and knew that is wife's name was Martha (-?-). Doing a search on MARTHA would bring up this obit and the connection could be made. Of course it would also bring up all the other Marthas, but that is a small price to pay. Also, Carole did not correct any information in the obits, which is why you will see questionable spellings at times. Original source documents lose their authenticity if we make corrections of any kind. Feel free to post any obits you may have to this page if you wish, or to the county pages. But, be sure to extract the genealogical information, not post verbatim to avoid any copyright question. Also, it helps to have the name and date of the publication. Could I use help in getting all these in?, Let's just say it would not be refused. The page is formatted to forward the entries to the national archives every week, so only those entries made during the past week will show. Now I have taken up enough of your time. Be sure to stop by this and other obit pages and not miss the opportunity these archives are going to offer our research efforts. Subject: Re: TAULBEE-D Digest V98 #38 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:18:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:25:21 EST From: Reva Alvis To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Just want to tell all who worked so hard to bring Rose's book to the rest of us, thank you very much, you are great and hope to meet all of you someday at a Taulbee reunion. Sandi Taulbee Purol