Taulbee List Public Archives for September, 1998 Subject: Taulbee marriages Breathitt County KY Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 09:56:50 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com I have placed in our CLOSED archives a file of Breathitt County, KY marriages in the first quarter of this century. They are in the closed archives because they are questionable as to the ages of the married couple and as to the dates of the marriages. There is a lot of confusion in ky records between actual marriage dates and license dates, and some carelessness in record keeping. Sometimes even duplicate records that contain conflicting information. They are in the closed archives to avoid spreading data we know to be questionable, but WE, being super intelligent Taulbee Researchers, know how to deal with these kind of problems. Subject: Birchfield 1727 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:35:49 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Working on the theory that the Birchfields on the Gunpowder at the same time Edward Talbee was there may be ancestors to the Birchfields who later married into the Taulbee line, found this marriage in the Maryland State on line Archives: Birchfield, Thomas, m. by 3 July 1722, Johanna, extx. of Edward Cantwell of BA Co. (MDAD 4:213). The Archives home page is http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/homepage/html/search.html So far no succes in finding our Edward Talby, or any other in this collection. Subject: Samuel Talbee MA 1665 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:21:10 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Came across this entry on a web site at http://opus.autoroute.net/~cfoisy/myfrench/fam00612.htm Husband: Samuel TALBEE Born: at: Married: at: ,Massachusetts,U.S.A. Died: at: Father: Mother: Other Spouses: Wife: Priscilla CHURCH Born: 1645 at: ,Massachusetts,U.S.A. Died: at: Father:Richard CHURCH Mother:Elizabeth WARREN Other Spouses: John IRISH Stephen Talby, son of John Talby and Dorothy (-?-) married twice: (1) Hannah Lane, daughter of James Lane (of Plymouth, England) and (2) Hannah Nelson. Stephen was Captian of the ketch Adventurer. Children of Stephen and Hannah Lane: 1. Stephen Talby, Jr. died at age 1. 2. Samuel Talby was born January 9, 1665. 3. John Talby was born May 4, 1671. Subject: Rose Taulbee pg 169 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:07:33 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Have a young lady who believes the following may be amoung her g-g grandparents. This is the Finley line which married into the Taulbee line with Nancy Cline and Sarah Melinda Taulbee (Isaac Taulbee's Line). She adds some additional information to what Rose has in her book. If anyone has any information on this line, please let her (and the rest of us) know. MADISON MILLER Born 1820 Tenn Married Died SARAH FINLEY dau Howard,John Born 1824 IL Died Children Lucinda 1843 - Mary E 1844 - Beauford 1849 Her query: To Persons concerned, I believe my Great-Great grandparents were Sarah Finley- Miller and Madison Miller . I can't be for sure The information I have is that Sarah and Madison Miller had 5 children , Lucinda Miller-Woods born[1843],Austin born [1847],Buford born [1850] ,Loftin Reynolds born [1855] and Charles born [1858] My Grandpa was one of Austin Miller's sons. Would you have anymore information on this end of the family?? I apologize as I am new at this genealogy research and I don't know what is common proceedure in a correspondance letter. Any information you can give me will be helpful . Thank her email: Okgrover@aol.com Subject: Tolby, Andrew Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:47:23 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com This will both confirm and contradict what Rose has on page 122. Tombstone inscription in Cassville Cemetery, Barry County MO: A. T. TOLBY May 3, 1833 - Sep 13, 1890 This in the MO. Genealogical Abstracts and Records, Vol 2, pg 173 Rose has the following: Note the difference in birth dates and the middle initial. Two thoughts. Many of the Taulbees had more than one middle name, and from my experience in reading tombstones, a century of weathering can easily change a J to a T. Not going to guess without seeing the actual stone. ANDREW JACKSON TOLBY s/o Wm., Andrew, Wm.H., Samuel Born 5-2-1831 Perry Co., KY Md. 10-20-1855 Mound City, Holt Co., MO Died 9-13-1890 Cassville, Barry Co., MO ALAMEDA BROWNING d/o Napoleon Browning Born Died Children James Elias follows next page Mary Belle 1858 md. 1st Bud VanHook, 2nd Ben McNeil John Edward 1861 md. Nannie Boyd Nancy Dora 1866 md. Alfred Herman Minerva 1870 md. William Houston Robert K. 1874 md. Florence Tuttle, issue Floyd, he had son Merlin Subject: TOLBY, Idaho 1917 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:40:11 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Three of the Tolby, in Andrew Jackson Taulbee's line that show up on the Idaho 1910 census (they were in Missouri earlier) show up again on World War I Selective Service Registration Records For Twin Falls County, Idaho. These were found by searching the Idaho Genweb Archives with the usgenweb search engine for TOLBY. For anyone who might not know, the search engine is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm Tolby, Charley Wesley 29 Dec 1892 W Golden City MO Twin Falls ID Tolby, Robert Kirk 10 Aug 1874 W [card filed in Tal section] Twin Falls ID Tolby, William Raymond 24 May 1895 W Golden City MO Twin Falls ID Subject: Tolby, Grace, Indiana, 1914 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:52:28 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com This is a death record from Battle Ground, Tippecanoe Co, Indiana via the USGENWEB search engine. 16 Mar 1914 TOLBY, Grace The search engine is much faster than calling up the individual archived documents and searching through them. If a document has been posted to the usgenweb archives, be it census, marriages, deaths, obits, whatever, it is searched in a matter of seconds. It does not search pages like our genconnect which has our obits and its own search engine, just what is in the archives. Subject: Talby > Tolby Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:44:50 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com We have several times theorized on how the spelling of the names went from Talby to Taulbee to Tolby. We have been assuming without real proof the that the Talby of Salem and the Taulbees, Tolbys are the same line. In the Records Commission Reports of 17th century Marriages, Births, Deaths, we find that the son of John and Dorthy Talby were referred to as Talbye and as TOLBY. We have Stephen, son of Stephen and Hannah TALBYE born August 9, 1663. Then we have Stephen, son of Stephen and Hannah TOLBY died Jul 1, 1664. Then Joh, son of Stephen and Hannah TOLBY born May 4, 1671. It would appear that Talby and Tolby must have been phonetic equals. I am pretty much satisfied that TOLBY is the older variant and that TAULBEE is a Kentucky variant assigned to the children of Samuel, (son of William Hitchcock) by the school system, of a legal clerk, and it stuck. It also stuck with some of the other lines, but not all. Thomas' line was TOLBY, as was part of Andrews line. Many of the early Taulbees, listed as Taulbee in Rose's book possibly should actually be TOLBY. I cannot find an example of TAULBEE in any records I remember prior to the l840s in Morgan County, KY. Regardless, TAULBEE is by far the dominant variant in the surviving male lines. TAULBEE is not the only one of our surnames with major spelling variants. Birchfield and Burchfield are not that major, but enough to cause some confusion. Louise, I found another Southwick in Boston, but look how the spelling varies 3 times: John, son of Cyprian and Elizabeth SOUTHHACK born July 15, 1692 Eliza. Daugher of Cyprian and Elizabeth SOUTHWICK born Feb 22, 1696 Hannah, daughter of Eyprian and Elizabeth SOUTHACK born Apr 10, 1699. Subject: John Andrew Taulbee and others Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:48:53 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Have received communication from descendants of John Andrew Taulbee who says he can provide additional information on the identity of the people in the group photo on line. I will be sharing that with you as soon as he sends it. I invited him onto the list, so maybe, now that rootweb seems to be up and running, he will post it himself. Has also offered a fairly complete tree from William Hitchcock Taulbee down via his son John. Also will share this if he does not come on the list. Our Cousin Al Byrd has sent a collection of photos. (Thanks Al) Some are better copies of what I already have, others are new. I will get them up when I can. School has started so I am back to working for a living. He also sent a first edition copy of the Hitchcock Family by a primeir Hitchcock researcher. I will not post it as is because of copyright considerations, but I will extract anything we do not already have. One thing it will do is give us a start on our Jones line; Anne Jones, wife of William Hitchcock II is a common grandmother to all but one of us. We will at least know who her siblings were, and a little more about her father, who was William's step father. The current, but unproven thinking is that William Hitchcock II married his step sister Anne. He would have met her when his mother married William Jones following the death of William's father. His step sister, but no blood relation. I cannot think of a more difficult surname to trace than Jones, unless it is Smith. Talk to you all later. Subject: Tauulbee Perry county 1830 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:41:49 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com If anyone would have access to the microfilms of the 1830 KY census, or the Perry County section, they might check out the following. The microfilm is an original source where any on line transcription we may find may or may not be accurate. Indes to the 1830 Federal Census for KY TALBY, James page 353, no township listed. TALBY, John, page 354, no township listed. TALBY, Thomas, page 355, no township listed. TALBY, William, page 354, no township listed. TOLBY, page 354, no township listed. Subject: Re: Tauulbee Perry county 1830 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:52:51 -0400 From: hgask10543@juno.com To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com References: 1 Hi All, I just happen to have the 1830 & 1840 Perry County Kentucky Census'. Here is what I found in the 1830 Perry Census, no townships listed in my version, which is photocopies of the original and then put in book form. Page 353 Males Females TALBY, James - 3010010000000 - 0210010000000 3 males under 5 - 1 male age 10-15 - 1 male age 30-40 2 females age 5-10 - 1 female age 10-15 - 1 female age 30-40 *In the above record, the 2 females ages 5-10 could possibly be a 3, although it look more like a 2 to me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Page 354 TALBY, John - 0000100000000 - 2100100000000 1 male age 20-30 2 females under 5 - 1 female age 5-10 - 1 female age 20-30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Page 354 TALBY, William 1100100000000 - 2000100000000 1 male under 5 - 1 male age 5-10 - 1 male age 20-30 2 females under 5 - 1 female age 20-30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Page 354 TOLBY, William 1120010000100 - 1211001000000 1 male under 5 - 1 male age 5-10 - 2 males age 10-15 - 1 male age 30-40 - 1 male age 80-90 1 female under 5 - 2 females age 5-10 - 1 female age 10-15 - 1 female age 15-20 - 1 female age 40-50 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Page 355 TALBY, Thomas 2001010000000 - 0100100000000 2 males under 5 - 1 male age 15-20 - 1 male age 30-40 1 female age 5-10 - 1 female age 20-30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As soon as I rest my eyes, I will post the 1840 Taulbee's in Perry Co. KY Louise Subject: Hitchcock-Taulbee Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:43:20 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com In addition to what was already on the website, additional information comes from a 1988 Manuscript on the Hitchcock Family by Bob Hedgecock. It was sent me by cousin Al. Because of copyright concerns, I cannot just post it in its entirety. (Thanks Al) These are the first of our dead ends. They relate to three of virtually all of our multiple great grandmothers. William Hitchcock,(Hitchcock, Hitchox, Hedgecok - The spellings are at times interchanged just like in our Taublee line.) my 9th great grandfather was transported to Maryland from the United Kingdom in 1670, during the reign of Charles Stuart II. We do not know from where in England or why he transported. Transported sometimes meant their way was paid as an endentured servant. At the same time, a large number of political and religious dissidents as well as certain classes of criminals were also transported during that time. I do not know the reason or how William Hitchcock was transported. Was it for one of the aforementioned reasons, or did he come of his own free will and at his own expense? William was a resident of the province of Ye Clifts of Calvert County. He died in Calvert County in between Feb 4, 1684 (date of his will) and Marh 28, 1685 (date the will is probated) I have seen no clue as to the last name of Mary. Here we have two lines where we are at a dead end. Can't get back farther than William, and no idea of who Mary was. William Hitchcock received land from Lord Baltimore which his son, William Hitchcock Jr (II) traded for land (Turkey Hill) near the Little Falls of the Gunpowder near what is now Franklinville in Hartford County. To this he added land called Timber Hall. He was a tobacco planter. Tobacco means slaves. While we have no evidence the Taulbees ever owned slaves, we can safely assume the Hitchcocks probably did. When William Hitchcock died, Mary remarried, to William Jones of Calvert County. It is believed but not proven (this is from an email I received from Bob Hedgecock a couple of years ago) that William Jones had a daughter, Ann from a previous marriage and that William Jr., married her as his second wife. (His first wife was also a Mary). That leaves us at another couple of dead ends. We do not know where William Jones came from, and have no idea of the name of his wife, Ann's mother. We do know that William Hitchcock, Jr. and Ann had a daughter named Elizabeth who married Samuel Talbee of Baltimore County. We all know the line down from there. Samuel was the son of Edward Talbee and Mary in Baltimore County. Edward died when Samuel was very young. We are stuck on where Edward came from. If he followed the normal historical migration pattern, he came from Rhode Island as a descendant of Stephen Talby, son of John and Dorothy. The time line is correct, but the hard evidence is missing. And once again we are stuck with the question, who was Mary, wife of Edward and mother of Samuel? That's enough dead ends for now. Hopefully, one of us will find at least a clue to one of these dead ends. Subject: Myra (Julian) Taulbee--Okla Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 03:32:43 EDT From: Yaerohs@aol.com To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Myra (maiden name unknown) married 1st a John Aaron Julian ( he was born, 12-10-1901. Died 12-27-1987 in New Mexico). Myra (Julian) Taulbee was born 02/27/1888 and died in a rest home, Elk City, Beckham Co., Oklahoma, Nov. 1978. Myra Julian married a Taulbee---------Taulbee's first name is unknown and do not know where or when they were married, and know nothing about his death. Any information would be very helpful. Thanks. Jay Shore yaerohs@aol.com 1/19/1998 Subject: Taulbee - Wiidson Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:38:02 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com The following is a tombstone inscription in the new part of the Maysville cemetery, Mason County, KY Woodson H. Taulbee 9-21-1924 KY Pioneers and their descendants; Genealogical Pub Co, 1988, Compiled by Ila Earle Flowers. Subject: More Taulbee Photos Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:49:03 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Cousin Al Byrd sent me about a dozen photos. I have the first on line now on our Taulbee Pages. Joseph Elsberry Taulbee and wife Margaret Matilda Mills. This is the same photo that is in Rose's book, but better quality since most of us have Xeroxed copies of a Xeroxed photo. I believe this is his wedding photo, but if not, we can still date it at about 1864 because because of the Yankee Infantry uniform he is wearing. There is also a photo of his tombstone. Civil War veteran tombstones are white and engraved with high relief. Since graves traditionally lie west to east with the stone facing the west, the sun is never in the right place to provide good contrast. Still it is readable enough to verify the information about his service. Civil War government provided stones also did not include any dates. I will work to get some of the other photos on line soon. I am unhappy with my scanner. I suspect the light tube is getting weak. Subject: A. D. TAulbee Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:45:54 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Andrew Daniel Taulbee, in William Barry's line now has his mug shot on our web page courtey of Al. I know a lot of you are trying to locate and gain possession of old Taublee Photos. It is important to do this now before it becomes next to impossible to identify the people in them. If you should come across a different photo of the Honorable William Preston Taulbee than we have would you please let us know, One of our cousins would love to have one for the album he is building. Also, did the post I made concerning the problems with genconnect global search and explaining how to search our page with the least amount of problems get through? I did not see it come back to me which is unusual. Given the problems with rootweb this past week, would you let me know it got through. The programers are planning an upgrade to take care of the global search problem sometime in the future. Subject: Taulbee, William Dunford & Wife Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:43:28 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Al has generously provided photos of his grandparents, William Dunford Taulbee and Carrie Elizabeth Ward Taulbee. William was a son of Joseph Elsberry Taulbee, and a twin to Lucinda Taulbee. Other than the fact that they were born, there is no information about them in Rose's book, so any information other than their names will have to come from you. Al, can you tell us which of the two gentlement is William? And can you identify any of the others in the photo? That same question goes to the rest of you. We have photos with people unidentified in them. If you can identify any of them, let me know. The time will come when so many generations will have passed that identification will become next to impossible unless identies are written on the back of the original photos. I hope you all appreciate the generosity of all who have contributed photos to this album project. Subject: Taulbee in 1870 Breathitt County KY Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:35:55 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com The 1870 Breathitt County Census is on line in the USGENWEB Archives for Breathitt County. I will list the Taulbees so they can be compared with other copies of this census you may have seen. This will also put them in the list archives. The census can be reached from our website. Pct 1: Jackson and Magisterial Dist 1 24/24 Taulbee, Elizabeth 45 F W Keeping House Virginia John 14 M W Farm Laborer Indiana Samuel 12 M W Farm Laborer Kentucky Greenville 19 M W Farm Laborer Kentucky Granville 10 M W Farm Laborer Pct 6 - Frozen: 6/6 Taulbee, Green 30 m w Farmer Kentucky Elizabeth 27 f w Keeping House Kentucky Rachel 8 f w Kentucky Stephen 6 m w Kentucky Alfred 3 m w Kentucky Dulcina 1 f w Kentucky 9/9 Taulbee, Jackson 44 m w Farmer Kentucky Margaret 35 f w Keeping House Kentucky Arzelia 17 f w Kentucky Abedarango 15 m w Kentucky Henry 13 m w Kentucky Polly 15 f w Kentucky 10/10 Taulbee, William 68 Farmer Tennessee Mary 65 f w Keeping House North Carolina Marvilla 18 f w At School Kentucky Silas 21 m w Farm Labor Kentucky Elsberry 24 m w Attending School Kentucky Catherine 15 f w At Home Kentucky 11/11 Taulbee, Jefferson 45 m w Farmer Kentucky Performance 46 f w Keeping House Kentucky Elizabeth 19 f w At Home Kentucky (note) Married in April George 22 m w Farm Labor Kentucky Arminta 14 f w At Home Kentucky Arzela 12 f w At Home Kentucky Mary 10 f w At Home Kentucky Jefferson 8 At Home Kentucky William 4 At Home Kentucky James 14 Attending School Kentucky 12/12 Taulbee, William 26 m w Farmer Kentucky Fanny 27 f w Keeping House Kentucky John 7 m w At Home Kentucky Henry 4 m w At Home Kentucky Janus 2 m w At Home Kentucky Samuel 1 m w At Home Kentucky 14/14 Taulbee, Perry 23 m w Farm Labor Kentucky Elizabeth 23 f w Keeping House Kentucky Malissia 3 f w At Home Kentucky Temperance 2 At Home Kentucky Milley 7 Attending School Kentucky 132/132 Taulbee, Ira 42 m w Farmer Kentucky Susan 36 f w Keeping House Kentucky Maryum 14 f w At Home Kentucky Lutisha 13 f w At Home Kentucky John 9 m w At Home Kentucky James 7 m w At Home Kentucky Margaret 4 f w At Home Kentucky Elizabeth 1 f w At Home Kentucky Subject: Our Taulbee Photos Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:26:36 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com We now have over three dozen Taulbee Family photos on line. Some are the between the world wars era and others are civil war era. So far I have accepted the identification as provided by the individuals who sent them. I have at times received emails from others questioning some of the identifications. I believe it is important that we document the identification of the individuals in the photos. What I would like is the following: Each person who sent me a photo that is on line, please take the time to post to the list (not to me alone) how the identify was established, if it is firm or tentative. Some of you had names in old family photo albums written under or on the back or originals, Others received the photos from someone else. Others knew the people in the photos when they were alive (especially parents, grandparent, g-grandparents) and can provide that first hand knowledge as indentification. The idea is that we can then say we have authenticated the identities of the individuals. If you post to the list, they will end up in our list arcchives and eventually on the webpage with the photos. Talk to you all later. The latest photo up is the new photo of the Honorable Willam Preston Taulbee send by Nadine. Subject: Taulbee - Thomas & Minnie; KY-LA Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:46:05 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com I am sure this post at the end of this message was meant for the list. In any event I am forwarding it because I have no information that can help and we have a lot more members since we last saw this. This will be included in my dead end page when I get it built. In the mean time to help us search, Glenn & Heloise, can you tell us on what your grandmother's married name was? And who her husband was? We can then see if any marriage records can be found to verify her maiden name. Have you been able to locate her death certicate, or newpaper death notice? Sometimes, not often, the cemetery or mortuary records will also be helpful in this. Minnie sounds very much like a nick name, but does not have to be. Any thoughts on this? This also shows that there is a lot to do in Taulbee research. This is not the first dead end we have had. But do not let dead ends discourage you. I have not been able to find any thing on my two paternal grandfathers, one born in PA in 1865 and the other born in LA about 1890. I think they must have been brought here by one of them Yankee UFOs. To make sure your posts get to the list, the addresses to use are TAULBEE-L@ROOTSWEB.COM OR TAULBEE-D@ROOTSWEB.COM, depending upon if you are subscribed to the mail or digest mode. You do not need to send me a copy as I will get it with the rest of you. Subject: dead end Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:24:37 -0700 From: Glenn & Heloise To: moravia@doitnow.com My grandmother was Minnie Miriam Taulbee. We think her father was Thomas L. Taulbee, he had 4 children Thomas,Minnie, Eudora and Mollie. My grandmother was raised in Pleasant Hill, La. I can find no trace of Thomas Taulbee. My grandmother, Miriam Minnie Taulbee always insisted that her name was spelled Taulbee. Minnie was born July 9, 1867 and died Sept. 27, 1949. On the census it says her father was born in Ky. Hope someone can help me. Subject: Burchfield Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:56:53 -0500 From: Bobby Christall To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com While searching my files for "old" mail correspondence I found an interesting tid bit from Ed Bates dated Jan 1998 I thought would be of interest to the Burchfield line.... "According to an article titled, 'The Patriots at the Cowpens" by Bobby Gilmer Moss, by A.Press, P.O.Box 8796 Greenville,S.C. 29604 a John Burchfield was called into service while living at Cathey's Station, Catwba River. He volunteered in Burke County North Carolina. (John Burchfield b.1785 Guilford County NC d 28th Dec 1849 Jefferson County Indiana wife:Mary Patterson 22 Dec 1815) It went on to tell what actions he was in and he was wounded in the forehead by a sword. He was taken to Quaker Meadows to recover and then re-enlisted again in 1781 where he served as a spy (in those days that meant a scout) he served in an area known as Turkey Cove,NC. He enlisted again in 1812 in Kentucky and was discharged in Canada. He only listed one child in the pension application; to wit: Eliza Ann B. Brisbin then the following numbers:FPA W8175.1991-160-50' Could this be the John Burchfield who signed the marriage bond for Nancy Talby who married Adam Burchfield in North Carolina?Could Mary Patterson have been his second wife? In Baltimore County Md before they moved to NC the Talby's had 262 acres called, Turkey Hill. Could they have named that area of North Carolina Turkey Cove?" I found this interesting information and I hope you do as well! Nadine Subject: Unidentified subject! Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:36:24 -0700 From: Glenn & Heloise To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Thank you for your interest. My grandmothers married name was Maddox. She married Jesse Van Buren Maddox in July of 1890. This was her second marriage. She married first a Huggins.I have found the marriage licence for Minnie Huggins and Jesse VanBuren Maddox. I also have an uncles social security application and it says his mothers maiden name was Taulbee. On her death certificate it says her father was Thomas L Taulbee and everything else was unknown. On the obituary is gives no helpful information. It says that she belongs to the baptist church and list her children who survived. Again thank you for any help anyone can give me. I am almost hesitant to mention this but I have info from one family member that Thomas Taulbee married Belle Gorham. I have not seen anything to prove this of course. Subject: Re: Burchfield Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:14:30 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com References: 1 In Baltimore > County Md before they moved to NC the Talby's had 262 acres called, > Turkey Hill. Turkey Hill is the grant received by (among others) William Hitchcock I from Lord Baltimore. William Hitchcock I willed at least part of his share to William Hitchcock II who sold it while Edward Talbee was still living. William Hitchcock II was the father in law of Samuel Talbee, Edward's son. All this goes to show that the families had to well known to each other in Baltimore. When Samuel left Maryland, he subleased his land, the leaseholder objected, and Samuel was sued. Zepaniah, who was left behind had to deal with it. I will see if I can find a reference as to which grant this land was part of. To help me develop a theoretical time line, does someone know when the Puritins invaded Maryland from Rhode Island and seized control of the Colony? I'm sure this had to be during the Protectorate and before the restoration of Charles Stuart. If no one knows, I will look it up next time I get near a suitable reference book. Subject: taulbee closed pages and other. Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:21:59 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com My website visitor logs show that several spiders have been crawling through our website again, cataloging the data on it and posting it to the search engines. Last time this happened, our closed pages ended up on a search engine. This weekend I will be changing the URLs again, and will do so every six to 8 weeks to defeat the spiders. I will also change them whenever a spider shows up in my site log. I will leave a marker at the old URL telling you to contact me if you want the new one. I am no longer going to post the closed URLs to the list because we now have too many people coming and going who never contribute anything (which is okay because they may have nothing new to contribute and are seeking to find lost ancestors. We have all been in the same situation), but they also never introduce themselves to the rest of us. I am not going to permit those who join, lurk, and NEVER TELL US WHO THEY ARE to continue to have access to our closed files. We have a good solid core of people who know each other as well as you can via email and are sharing a lot back and forth. For those of you who are always silent, you may remain silent as long as you wish, but if you wish to continue to have access to our closed files, you must at least tell the rest of us who you are. You can expect more information to be posted on the closed pages in the not too distant future. I want to thank all of you who have sent me the photo authentications. This helps when someone has a question about the identity of someone in a photo. One of the long posts a few months back was about Adam Birchfield's family and told about everyone in their area of North Carolina having a loom and being a weaver. While I was visiting my aunt in Idaho this summer, she brought out a bed spread woven by my 2nd g-grandmother, Paulina Taulbee Bailey. It was given by Paulina to my grandmother when my grandmother was a young new mother. It is woven on a loom, alternating with unprocessed and red wool. The red dye was, according to the passed down story, made from the roots of a tree of some kind, the wool from their own sheep. What I don't have is if this was while they were living in Kentucky, or in Oklahoma. Just an insight into the life at that time. Talk to you all later. Subject: Who are WE Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:54:25 EDT From: Yaerohs@aol.com To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com I am Jay Shore, New Mexico, and I am not kin to any Taulbee that I know of. I have been doing genealogy for 32 years for my self and love it. yaerohs@aol.com BUT---I am helping a friend find his family. (he is not on line or internet). He know nothing about his family beyond grandfather and grandmother. Myra (maiden Name UNK) 1st--Julian 2nd TAULBEE--(children)? . Br. 02/27/1888 Where ? (have sent for SS Application) Died 11/1978 Rest Home/Elk City, Beckhan Co. Oklahoma Married: (divorced) When ? John Aaron Julian (Have sent for his SS application). . Br. April 20, 1888 St. Paul, Kansas Died March 1964 Espanola, New Mexico Their Children: Dan Ely Julian 09/10/1910 Stanley, New Mexico 12/28/1981 Magdalina, New Mexico Jerry Julian Joe Dale Julian John Leo Julian Jimmy Julian Mary Frances Julian Dan Ely Julian - MD - Estela Tiburcia Sanchez 09/09/1933 New Mexico Their Son: Juan D. Julian (Sheriff of Valencia Co. New Mexico) Juan D. Julian is the person I am trying to help trace his family. He only remembers seeing his grandparents one time when he was very young. What I have posted is all he knows about them. I hope I can find them for him. Jay yaerohs@aol.com 09/23/1998 Subject: intro Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:10:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Leona A. Porter" To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Hi Everyone: Thought I better introduce my self, my husband is a decendent of the Taulbee's. The Taulbee pages and private pages have been a great help. I am new at doing genealogy research, thanks to Bob and all concerned you are doing a wonderful job. Finding the Taulbee Pages gave me a jump on thing and got me hooked on genealogy. Have not been a member very long and don't have anything at this time to contribute, but really enjoy reading the e-mail and hope someday to help anyway I can. Our Taulbee Line William Hitchcock Taulbee m. Margaret Canady Andrew Jackson Taulbee m. Eliabeth Allen Wiley Taulbee m. Anna Birch Louisiana Taulbee m. Frank Coldiron Marion Lee Coldiron m. Louise Rutledge Gilbert W. Porter m. Jo Ann Coldiron Having a hard time finding info on the Coldiron side of the family,any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Leona Porter Subject: Taulbee at GL and FHC Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:55:07 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com As many of you know, I spend Saturday AM at either the Sun City Genealogical Society Library, which is substantial, or at the Sun City FHC when it is open. the latter is closed during the summer months as many of the volunteers are what is reffered to down here (unkindly) as snowbirds, retired senior citizens who spend the summer elsewhere. I have just about exhausted Talby, Talbee, Taulbee, and Tolby. I have not yet spent much time on the related surnames, other than Combs (a very large number of them are in the family). It is time that I did so since we have many distaff lines we know little about. If you have a particular surname to keep an eye out for, send it to me. I will only promise to check for it in the indexes as I go, I will not promise to find anything, or to find it in a timely manner, I will only promise to remember to look for it. I will soon, now that the FHC is open again, be returning to the IGI and other microfilmed records looking for the connection between the somewhat large number of Talby we have found in England and our lone Talby in the Bay Colony. Talby is the only variation of the name I have found. Almost no examples of any other spelling, strengthening my belief that Talbee, Taulbee, Tolby are strictly American variants, and regional at that. Would one of you who received the tif images of the IGI sheets I sent last year, please send me back the file numbers on the sheets. I have filed away all the old email, but since I performed major surgery on the computer, have no idea where I filed it and I no longer remember what I sent and did not send. I will be gathering more of them, and offering to send them again to those who wish them, but need to be reminded of what I did send. If got to go to work. Talk to you later. By the way, Cyndy, the post about another wife for John, is exactly what we need. We have a number of cousins who are at dead ends, and unknown marriages or cohabbitation or whatever may be part of the reason. The posting of any tidbit may be just the clue one of us needs. Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:33:35 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com My session at the genealogical library and fhc today provided some transcriptions of primary sources from some new books, but also raises some serious questions. Firt, transcription of the parish registers for St. John's and St. George's parishes in Baltimore County reveal several items. (The records are mostlyh St. John's Protestant Epicopal Church) This is the order of entries, not chronological: Isaac Talbee, son of Samuel & Elizabeth, born June 10, 1761. Samuel Talbee, and Elizabeth Hitchcock married Dec 1, 1736. Anne Talbee, daughter of Samuell and Elizabeth, born Oct 6, 1737 Asaell Talbee, son of Samuel & Elizabeth, born Feb 10, 1739. Zephaniah Talbee, son of Samuel & Elizabeth, born Dec 29, 1741. Emilie Talbee, daughter of Samuel & Elizabeth, born Aug 26, 1744 Samuel Talbee, son of Samuel & Elizabeth, born Nov 12, 1758 [Hearafter referred to as Samuel II] William Huggins & Ann Talbee married Dec 19, 1754 Zephaniah Talbee & Mary Woolling married Jul 21, 1763. You will notice that there is no mention of William Hitchcock Taulbee. Nor is William mentioned in "Baltimore Familes" (Barnes) as being among the children of Samuel. The only place I have actually seen William Hitchcock Taulbee as a child of Samuel I is in Rose's book and in a book called "Marylanders to Kentucky" where he is mentioned in a contribution by Bob Hedgecock. Neither source provides documentation. More on this later. There are other mentions of Samuel in the library. Samuel leased land for 3 lifetimes (from Lord Baltimore's land agents) This is referenced as liber TB #D pg 217 10 Dec 1745. Samuel Talbie, c 35, w Elizabeth, c 23, son Zepheniah, c. 3. Samuel will sublease this land and be sued over his right to do so. This is Baltimore Chancery Court vol 25, p 625-631. Up until and including 1709, Samuel's father Edward is listed as being owed money by several deceased. By 1710 he is deceased himself according to the date of his will. The above dates would make Samuel and infant at the time of Edward's death. In 1737 Samuel shows up on Baltimore County tax lists and also is paid a bounty for squirrel heads. Now in the IGI at the fhc, (I consider the IGI highly unreliable, but still useful) there is a mention to an Elizabeth Tolby, born 14 May, 1791, registered st James Protestant Episcopal, The parents are listed as Zephaniah Tolby/Abby. This would have to be a second wife for Zephaniah is correct, or this could be Zehhaniah Jr, son of Zephaniah, if Zephaniah had a son by that name. The dates fit either way. Zephaniah I was 50 years old. Now the questions: Does anyone have a primary source citation to establish that William Hitchcock Taulbee was indeed a son of Samuel and not a son of Asael, Isaac, or Samuel II? Rose says Asael did young, but there is no documentation. Does anyone have a primary source to establish that Samuel III, atributed to William Hitchcock Taulbee and Margaret Canady is in fact a son of William and not of Isaac or Samuel II? Rose quotes a letter in her book that has William and Margaret marrying after the Revolution. Again no documentation for us to see, but I think we have to leave open the possibility that Samuel III and Andrew I may not be children of William Hitchcock Taulbee but of Isaac or Samuel II. Just too much missing. We have only the census documents to build a circumstatial case, and that may or may not hold up if we can find the other sources we need. Your thoughts are invited. Subject: closed URLs Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:38:39 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com The closed page URLs are now changed. This time you will need only one, I linked them together. I will not post the URL to the list. Those who wish to view these pages, just email me asking for it. You must tell us who you are if you have not already done so. Those who have already asked me, I will be emailing the new url soon. About a year ago, some of our closed pages ended up on a search engine, so I change these every so often. Added to the closed pages today is a large FTM descendancy outline report for Dr. John Andrew Taulbee. It is very wide, formatted for tabloid sized paper in landscape orientation. You will need to scroll a bit to the right. It is very readable. If you try to print this, you will either need a printer that can print tabloid (11 X 16 paper) or you will need to load the text file into a word processor, set the paper size to legal landscape, and then set the font to curier new and small enough to fit the page. It will help to make the right and left margins as small as possible. If you cannot make it fit the paper, all that will happen is that some of the long lines will wrap. Setting the font very small will make it fit, but hard to read. Subject: The line of evidence... Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:40:46 -0500 From: Bobby Christall To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com By my notes: Edward Taulbee paid taxon land on the north side of Gunpowder & on Back River for the years 1699-1707. William Hitchcock(see separate notes) is recorded as tax payer at Baltimore County,Gunpowder as well for the time frame. The will of Edward Taulbee was probated on September 14,1709;administrative bond posted by Archibald Rollo with John Fuller & William Hitchock. The estate was inventoried by John Taylor & William Hitchcock. The only child (three years of age at the time of his mothers subsequent death. "Baltimore County Maryland Tax Rolls 1700 & 1701 list Edward Taulbee. Baltimore County Families by Robert W. Barnes:Genealogical Publishing Co.,In pp 620-621 SAMUEL TAULBEE bonded to Archibald & Rebecca Rollo until age 21 following the death of his mother when he was age 3. Born 1709 to Edward Taulbee & wife Mary. The administrative bond on will of Edward Tauby listed in Baltimore County Families 1659-1750 by Robert W. Bardnes pp 620-621. Also confirms death of Mary Taulbee,mother of Samuel dod 4June 1712. See Index to Register St.John's Parish,Baltimore County Maryland 1696-1788 compiled by Helen White Brown Item 66-R"Samuel Talbee m.Elizabeth Hitchcock 01Dec1736" See State of North Carolina Dept of Archives and History: "this certifies that the following information is recorded in a manuscript volume located in this Department titled, "Revolutionary Army Accounts: Volume XII pg18 Hillsboro Dist Included Orange Co.,NC Number 2837 to whom granted: Sam Talbey. Dated June 1783. Sum:60 pounds 6 shillings. Interest: 3 pounds,10 shillings To What Time: 35th May 1784. See Last Will & Testament: Samuel Tolby dated 1791 at Orange County North Carolina listing wife "Elizabeth, Eliza Faddy,MY CHILDREN: William Hitchcock Tolby, Mily Whittaker,Mary Kennady(Canaday),Elizabeth Rhodes..." probated 1791 Orange North Carolina Subject: oops! forgot something Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:55:49 -0500 From: Bobby Christall To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com A big plus to all of this is that the Baltimore County Land Records,Liber TB#C 664 Maryland State Archives which dealt with the 1745 indenture between Samuel Talbie and wife Elizabeth and also mentioins the young son Asael Hitchcock, his father William & Elizabeth.. the mark of the signature of Samuel Talbie is signed with the same mark "S" as was the will in North Carolina... Not the usual "X" made by illiterate people of the day. Nadine Subject: Re: The line of evidence... Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:59:49 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com References: 1 Bobby Christall wrote: > > See Last Will & Testament: Samuel Tolby dated 1791 at Orange County > North Carolina listing wife "Elizabeth, Eliza Faddy,MY CHILDREN: William > Hitchcock Tolby, Mily Whittaker,Mary Kennady(Canaday),Elizabeth > Rhodes..." probated 1791 Orange North Carolina Ah yes, I had forgotten about that will. That would tend to "prove" who William's father was. What I want to see now, is any kind of proof that the elder children attributed to Williiam are his and not those of a brother or and uncle. Especially our Samuel III and Andrew. Thanks Nadine. ubject: Children of William Hitchcock Taulbee Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:45:32 -0500 From: Bobby Christall To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Well, by my notes: The James Franklin Taulbee/John Dial Taulbee account of children written in 1907 and kept in the private papers of James Franklin Taulbee bible and found by Mary Voth in the 1930's, also, see obit on "Breathitt County Deaths"by Frances Terry Ingmire,Ingmire Publications 1983,p 1 list NANCY BURCHFIELD,58,female,married,farmer,b.North Carolina dau.of William Taulbee,d.frozen creek Mar 23,1852,cause unknown" (m.Adam Burchfield 1808 WilkesNC) Perhaps someone out there has found other pieces of evidence they'd care to share on the children of William Hitchcock Taulbee? Nadine Subject: Taulbee, Mary Lou Cope, Mary Jane, and Lula Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:05:37 -0700 From: Bob George To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Some more photos are up. The first one is from David Buchanan who would like your help in authenticating the identity of Mary Lou Cope Taulbee. Please take a look and email him if you can authenticate or refute his identity of Mary Lou. The other is of Mary Jane and Lula Taulbee. It was submitted by our list cousin Mary Henn. I have sent the closed URL to a good number of you. Ask for it whenever you want to get in. I know it is a hassel each time it is changed, but because of spiders by Family Tree Maker and lately by aol, which crawl through a server and catalog everything on it and then place it on search engines, the only way to have a closed page is to change the URL from time to time. There is a script line that keeps most spiders from cataloging a website, but Family Tree Maker refuses to honor the convention. .