Taulbee List Public Archives for December 1997 Johnson and Morgan county (moravia@doitnow.com, Mon 12:55) [Dec 1] Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Just to let you know and thank Richard for doing a nice job on the Johnson County Births David sent us. I have the Lawrence County Deaths and Marriages fixed and the Lawrence county Births about half fixed. Then it is time to get on the census. David is going to try and fix the Morgan County Vitals (which will most interest our line) before sending them. Also another Thanks to Louise for working so hard to extract the obits, and to Carole for taking them from the papers and putting them on disks for us. Both have to feel like they are drowning in obits... ***************************************************************** Taulbee- Cline - Duncan, Montgomery County, IL (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/01/97 18:32) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Was contacted by a woman who stumbled on a web page I have not yet indexed, Isaac D. Taulbee. In it she found a connection of sorts. She descends from Andrew T. Duncan, the father of Elizabeth Caroline Duncan, Lewis Y Duncan and Hattie Duncan. Lewis married Nancy Cline who descended from Sarah Elvina Taulbee (born in 1822 in Perry County, Kentucky and died in 1863) and Reuben Henderson Cline. She said she has information on the Clines and Duncans of Montgomery County, Illinois. If this line is important to any of you, or if you are interested, let me know so I can either pass on what she tells me or put you in contact with her. ************************************************************ (Long Post) Taulbee - Cline - Duncan (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/01/97 19:31) To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com If any of you have a deeper interest in this line, contact me and I will put you in contact with the lady who sent this to me. She provides documentation for a small part of Rose's book from records in her possession. This is what she sent me: Robert, Indeed, distant lines can sometimes hold interesting information. Are you related most nearly to the Clines? I have the family Bible in which the marriages between the Duncans and the Clines. It was the Bible of Andrew T. Duncan and includes birth, death, and marriage information starting with about 1820. Andrew was a captain in the Union army in the Civil war. I also have his pension papers. If you need anything else, let me know... Beth I'm sure you don't really need all of this information, but it includes some Duncan/Cline info that supports the book you mentioned. It comes from the Bible I mentioned, cemetery information, and some marriage licenses. All of Andrew T. Duncan's children were born in Illinois Descendants of Andrew T. DUNCAN Generation No. 1 1. ANDREW T.1 DUNCAN was born November 02, 1818, and died February 14, 1895 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. He married (1) SARAH C. STRICKLIN February 13, 1840 in Macoupin County, IL, USA. He married (2) VILLETA HUDDELSTON March 24, 1878 in Douglass, Saline Co., IL, USA. Notes for ANDREW T. DUNCAN: Andrew T. DUNCAN was a captain in the Union army in the civil war, Co. I, 122 IL Infantry. ***Marriage certificate: Even though the Illinois State Archive Marriage Index by the Illinois State Genealogical Society lists Andrew DUNCAN'S marriage to his first wife, Sarah STRICKLIN, Macoupin County seems to have lost or misplaced it. I sent for it in June of 1997 and was sent a hand-written note stating that even though they are aware of the listing in the index, they do not have possession of the license. The index gives the following information: Andrew DUNCAN to Sarah STRICKLIN, February 18, 1840, License # 505, Volume 2, Macoupin County. This date is 5 days off of the Bible entry, possibly due to difference between license, marriage, and registration dates. ***Marriage certificate: Saline County, Illinois. Andrew T. DUNCAN, of Witt, Montgomery County, Illinois, of the age of 55 years married Violeta OZMENT, of Douglass, Saline County, Illinois, of the age of 37 years on March 24, 1878, at the home of Violeta OZMENT, in Saline County, Illinois, by W.D. Russell, a minister of the Gospel. ***Family Bible Pages: Andrew T. DUNCAN m. Sarah C. DUNCAN--February 13, 1840 Wesley W. DUNCAN m. Mary A. GARRISON--November 2, 1865 Eliza. C. DUNCAN m. William H. CLINE--January 25, 1866 Lewis Y. DUNCAN m. Nancy A. CLINE--March 5, 1869 Harriet E. DUNCAN m. Robert ALLEN-- July 30, 1874 Andrew T. DUNCAN b. November 2, 1818 Sarah C. DUNCAN b. April 25, 1822 Wesley W. DUNCAN b. December 4, 1840 Eliza. C. DUNCAN b. August 18, 1842 Lewis Y. DUNCAN b. July 8, 1849 John R. DUNCAN b. October 24, 1846 Hariette E. DUNCAN b. June 28, 1853 George A. DUNCAN b. December 5, 1856 Asa J. DUNCAN b. December 22, 1858 James N. DUNCAN b. February 2, 1864 George A. DUNCAN d. September 7, 1857 William H. Duncan d. August 5, 1862 Daniel W. DUNCAN d. July 9, 1868 Sarah C. DUNCAN d. September 12, 1876 John R. DUNCAN d. June 15, 1889 Lewis Y. DUNCAN d. September 17, 1893 Andrew T. DUNCAN d. February 14, 1895 Abbert OZMENT d. January 22, 1895, age 22 years Viletta DUNCAN d. May 31, 1897, age 54 A. T. DUNCAN m. Vilettia OZMENT--March 24, 1878 Sarah Essie b. December 29, 1878 Nettie May b. May 18, 1881 Willie NELSON m. Essie DUNCAN--July 22, 1896 Hazel Marie NELSON b. February 6, 1898 Kenneth NELSON b. February 28, 1901 Erma NELSON b. September 27, 1904 ***Claim for pension: Andrew T. DUNCAN, of Staunton, Illinois, enlisted in Macoupin County, Illinois, as a private, and was soon promoted to captain, commander of his troops. Height listed as 5'10", light complexion, light hair, blue eyes. Based in Jackson, Tennessee. Occupation listed as farmer, age 46. Enlisted August 12, 1862, Company I, 122 regiment, 12th infantry volunteers. Discharged March 4, 1863 in Tennessee. Soldier number 346454, widow's pension number 418206. Treated for disease of the heart and stomach and bowels, rheumatism in his right hip and shoulder, and catarrh from exposure. Widow's pension application states Nettie May DUNCAN was born May 18, 1881, no attending physician, Dr. Humphrey was called shortly thereafter. Andrew died February 14, 1895. Villeta OZMENT married Andrew T. DUNCAN March 24, 1878. He died February 14, 1895. She was formerly married to Marion OZMENT who died January 14, 1875. After Andrew's death , Villeta owned a house and lot in the suburbs of Litchfield worth $300.00. She also had an interest in her late husband's home, his will providing her with $400.00 pending the sale of the home. *** Crabtree cemetery: Andrew T. DUNCAN is buried at Crabtree Cemetery, south of Litchfield, Montgomery County, Illinois. He appears on the Honor Roll: Andrew T. DUNCAN, captain, army, company I, 122 Illinois infantry. Also Listed is Edward DUNCAN, Civil war, captain, army Company E, 143 Illinois infantry (same death date. Notes for VILLETA HUDDELSTON: ***Marriage certificate: Montgomery County, Illinois. Mr. Marion OZMENT and Miss Viletia HUDDLESTON were married on May 17, 1856 by J. M. Williams, J.P., in Hillsboro, Illinois. ***see Andrew T. DUNCAN for another Marriage license, Bible pages, and a widow's pension appilication. Children of ANDREW DUNCAN and SARAH STRICKLIN are: i. WESLEY WILSON2 DUNCAN, b. December 04, 1840; m. MARY A. GARRISON, November 02, 1865, Montgomery County, IL, USA. Notes for WESLEY WILSON DUNCAN: ***Marriage license: Mr. Wesley Wilson DUNCAN to Miss Mary E. GARRISON on November 2, 1865 in Montgomery County, Illinois by Joseph L. Eccles, justice of the peace. Notes for MARY A. GARRISON: ***Marriage license: see Wesley Wilson DUNCAN ii. ELIZABETH CAROLINE DUNCAN, b. August 18, 1842; d. February 1934; m. WILLIAM H. CLINE, January 25, 1866. iii. JOHN R. DUNCAN, b. October 24, 1846; d. June 15, 1889. iv. LEWIS Y. DUNCAN, b. July 08, 1849; d. September 17, 1893; m. NANCY A. CLINE, March 10, 1870, Montgomery County, IL, USA. Notes for LEWIS Y. DUNCAN: ***Marriage license: Mr. Lewis Y. DUNCAN to Miss Nancy A. CLINE on March 10, 1870. (Family Bible states March 5, 1869) Married in Montgomery County, Illinois by Jacob Beck, a justice of the peace. Notes for NANCY A. CLINE: ***Marriage license: see Lewis Y. DUNCAN 2. v. HARRIETTE E. "HATTIE" DUNCAN, b. June 28, 1853; d. 1942. vi. GEORGE A. DUNCAN, b. December 05, 1856; d. September 07, 1857. vii. ASA J. DUNCAN, b. December 22, 1858. viii. JAMES N. DUNCAN, b. February 02, 1864. Children of ANDREW DUNCAN and VILLETA HUDDELSTON are: 3. ix. SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, b. December 29, 1878; d. April 28, 1972, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. 4. x. NETTIE MAY DUNCAN, b. May 18, 1881; d. March 07, 1972. Generation No. 2 2. HARRIETTE E. "HATTIE"2 DUNCAN (ANDREW T.1) was born June 28, 1853, and died 1942. She married ROBERT D. ALLEN July 30, 1874 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. Notes for HARRIETTE E. "HATTIE" DUNCAN: ***Marriage license: see Robert ALLEN Notes for ROBERT D. ALLEN: ***Marriage license: Mr. Robert ALLEN, of Witt Township, Montgomery County, Illinois, age 22 years, to Miss Hattie DUNCAN, of same town, age 21 years. Married on July 30, 1874, by George W. Paisley, a justice of the peace, in Hillsboro, Montgomery County, Illinois. Child of HARRIETTE DUNCAN and ROBERT ALLEN is: i. BERT ELDEN3 ALLEN, b. June 09, 1877; d. November 11, 1950, Alton, IL, USA; m. ANNA ...... 3. SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN (ANDREW T.1) was born December 29, 1878, and died April 28, 1972 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. She married WILLIAM LOUIS NELSON July 22, 1896 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA, son of LAUST NIELSEN and LYDIA MCKNIGHT. Children of SARAH DUNCAN and WILLIAM NELSON are: i. INFANT3 NELSON, b. 1897; d. 1897. Notes for INFANT NELSON: THIS SON OF SARAH ESSIE DUNCAN AND WILLIAM LOUIS NELSON WAS BORN AND DIED IN THE YEAR 1897. HE IS BURIED WITHOUT A HEADSTONE IN THE SAME CEMETERY AS LOUIS NELSON (LAUST NIELSEN) AND LYDIA MCKNIGHT AND MARY NELSON POWERS. THIS CEMETERY IS LOCATED IN LITCHFIELD, ILLLINOIS AND IS NOW KNOWN AS EDGEWOOD CEMETERY. IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS THE OLD ENGLISH LUTHERAN CEMETERY OR PLEASANT GROVE CEMETERY. THE CEMETERY RECORDS LIST HIM ONLY AS INFANT NELSON AND DO NOT SPECIFY THE PARENTS OR GENDER OF THE CHILD. HE IS BURIED ONLY A FEW FEET AWAY FROM LOUIS NELSON ON WHAT WAS ORIGINAL FREE GROUND. INFANT NELSON IS BURIED AT NORTH 23 FEET AND LISTED AS "X" TO THE SOUTH OF BARBARA RASOR PHILLIPS. GLENN NELSON REMEMBERS LAYING FLOWERS ON THE FAMILY GRAVES THERE AS A CHILD WITH HIS AUNT ERMA NELSON. THE INFANT'S GRAVE WAS OFTEN POINTED OUT. THE OTHER RECORD FOUND OF THIS CHILD IS IN THE 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY BOOK OF HIS PARENTS. HE IS LISTED AS A SON WITH NO NAME BORN AND DIED IN 1897. THIS BOOK IS IN THE POSSESSION OF ELIZABETH NELSON AT THIS PRINTING. 5. ii. HAZEL MARIE NELSON, b. February 06, 1898, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA; d. May 01, 1971, St. Louis, MO, USA. 6. iii. KENNETH WILLIAM NELSON, b. February 28, 1901, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA; d. April 02, 1962, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. iv. ERMA VILLETA NELSON, b. September 27, 1904, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA; d. October 18, 1997, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. Notes for ERMA VILLETA NELSON: Erma NELSON was never married. She lived in the house (230 S Harrison St., Litchfield, IL) where she was born and where she grew up until she moved to a nursing home in Litchfield, Illinois after suffering a stroke in 1996. Erma graduated eighth grade in Litchfield June 3, 1918. She graduated from Community High School, District 152 in Litchfield, Illinois on June 1, 1922. She was valedictorian of her high school class. After attending business school, Erma began a career in banking January 17, 1923 and by 1943 she was an assistant trust officer at Litchfield Bank and Trust. She became a trust officer in 1951 and was until she retired September 1, 1974. Erma was a member of Mt. Zion Lutheran church in Litchfield, Illinois. She was a charter member of the ZONTA club. She enjoyed bridge and golf. She was greatly loved by all who knew her. ***Funeral book and bulletin of Erma NELSON: Erma V. NELSON, September 27, 1904--October 18, 1997 Services: Meinschein Funeral Home, Tuesday, October 21, 1997, Eleven o'clock a.m. Officiating: Rev Jonathon Kosec Organist: Mrs. Patty Ritter Concluding Service: Elmwood Cemetery, Litchfield, Illinois Casket Bearers: Arnold Birkenkamp, Sidney Cohen, Robert Bethel, George Westhoff, David NELSON, and J.D. Moss. ***Obituary of Erma V. NELSON, State Journal Register, Springfield, Illinois, Sunday, October 19, 1997: Litchfield--Erma V. NELSON, 93, of Litchfield died Saturday at Litchfield Health Care. Survivors: two Nephews, Gary NELSON of Mt. Olive and Glenn NELSON of Springfield; a niece, Mrs. Leonard (Carol Ann) Engelhardt of Phoenix; and numerous great-nieces and great-nephews. Services: 11 a.m. Tuesday, Meinschein Funeral Home, Litchfield. Burial: Elmwood Cemetery, Litchfield. 7. v. EVELYN E. NELSON, b. September 17, 1910, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA; d. May 22, 1992, Phoenix, AZ, USA. 4. NETTIE MAY2 DUNCAN (ANDREW T.1) was born May 18, 1881, and died March 07, 1972. She married (1) CLIFFORD FIELDS. She married (2) SAM SELTZER. Notes for NETTIE MAY DUNCAN: NETTIE MAY DUNCAN WAS MARRIED TWICE. SAM SELTZER CLIFFORD FIELDS Child of NETTIE DUNCAN and CLIFFORD FIELDS is: i. ARTHUR3 FIELDS, m. HELEN ...... Generation No. 3 5. HAZEL MARIE3 NELSON (SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born February 06, 1898 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA, and died May 01, 1971 in St. Louis, MO, USA. She married DANIEL H. KURZ , SR. April 27, 1921 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. Notes for HAZEL MARIE NELSON: ***Obituary of Hazel KURZ: Hazel Marie NELSON was married to Daniel H. KURZ, Sr. at Mt. Zion Lutheran Church in Litchfield, IL. They then moved to St. Louis, MO. She was a 1915 graduate of Litchfield High, worked in the office at Brown Shoe Co. in Litchfield, and later in the office of Illinois Power Co. in Litchfield. She died at St. Anthony Hospital in St. Louis, MO. and was buried at St. Anthony Cemetery there. Notes for DANIEL H. KURZ , SR.: ***Social Security Death Index: [Broderbund Family Archive #110, Vol. 1 A-L, Ed. 5, Social Security Death Index: U.S., Date of Import: Jul 30, 1997, Internal Ref. #1.111.5.135364.160] Individual: Kurz, Daniel Social Security #: 498-16-3053 SS# issued in: Missouri Birth date: Jan 16, 1899 Death date: Apr 1974 Residence code: Missouri ZIP Code of last known residence: 63109 Primary location associated with this ZIP Code:Saint Louis, Missouri More About DANIEL H. KURZ , SR.: Fact 1: Social Security #: 498-16-3053 Fact 2: SS# issued in: Missouri Children of HAZEL NELSON and DANIEL KURZ are: 8. i. MARY JUNE4 KURZ, b. June 24; d. June 01, 1977. 9. ii. DANIEL H. KURZ , JR., b. February 16, 1926, Missouri, USA; d. February 1992. 6. KENNETH WILLIAM3 NELSON (SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born February 28, 1901 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA, and died April 02, 1962 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. He married ANNA MELVINA HENSLEY June 20, 1925 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA, daughter of JOHN HENSLEY and FRANCES IMMENGA. Notes for KENNETH WILLIAM NELSON: Marriage certificate: Kenneth W. NELSON, Litchfield, IL and Melvina HENSLEY, Litchfield, IL, on June 20, 1925, by H. Allen Leader, Pastor English Lutheran Church. Witness, Lydia L. Leader. In Litchfield, Illinois. Death certificate: Kenneth William NELSON, SS# 342-28-3385, grocer, born February 28, 1901, Litchfield, Illinois, died April 2, 1962, St. Francis Hospital, Litchfield, Montgomery County, Illinois. Chronic Lymphatic Leukemia. Father, William NELSON, mother, Essie DUNCAN. Wife, Melvina NELSON. Buried Elmwood Cemetery, Litchfield, IL. Age 61 years. More About KENNETH WILLIAM NELSON: Fact 1: grocer Notes for ANNA MELVINA HENSLEY: Baptism certificate: Anna Melvina HENSLEY, child of John HENSLEY and Francis nee Immenga, born November 24, 1901 (incorrect, she was born November 23, 1901) in Hornsby, Illinois, baptized on May 25, 1902, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Gillespie, Macoupin County, Illinois, by L. Krekiler, Evangelical Lutheran Pastor. Sponsors were Mr. and Mrs. William Meyer. Graduation certificate: Melvina HENSLEY, September, 1, 1916, Macoupin County public school. Confirmation certificate: Melvina HENSLEY, born November 23, 1901, confirmed March 24, 1918, Evangelical Lutheran Zion's Church, Gillespie, Illinois, by L. Krekiler. Marriage certificate: Kenneth W. NELSON, of Litchfield, Illinois, married Melvina HENSLEY, of Litchfield, Illinois, on June 20, 1925, in Litchfield, Illinois, by H. Allen Leader, Pastor, Evangelical Lutheran Church. Witness, Lydia L. Leader. ***Social Security Death Index: [Broderbund Family Archive #110, Vol. 2 M-Z, Ed. 5, Social Security Death Index: U.S., Date of Import: Jul 30, 1997, Internal Ref. #1.112.5.29027.6] Individual: Nelson, Melvina Social Security #: 333-32-4251 SS# issued in: Illinois Birth date: Nov 23, 1901 Death date: Dec 1967 Residence code: Illinois ZIP Code of last known residence: 62056 Primary location associated with this ZIP Code:Litchfield, Illinois More About ANNA MELVINA HENSLEY: Fact 1: Social Security #: 333-32-4251 Fact 2: SS# issued in: Illinois Fact 4: Last residence ZIP: 62056 Children of KENNETH NELSON and ANNA HENSLEY are: i. GLENN WILLIAM4 NELSON. 10. ii. GARY KAY NELSON, b. December 16, 1931, Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. 7. EVELYN E.3 NELSON (SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born September 17, 1910 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA, and died May 22, 1992 in Phoenix, AZ, USA. She married HARRY BUTTS October 24, 1931 in Hillsboro, IL, USA. Notes for HARRY BUTTS: ***Social Security, Death Index: [Broderbund Family Archive #110, Vol. 1 A-L, Ed. 5, Social Security Death Index: U.S., Date of Import: Jul 30, 1997, Internal Ref. #1.111.5.35285.143] Individual: Butts, Harry Social Security #: 342-03-8497 SS# issued in: Illinois Birth date: Jan 5, 1910 Death date: Oct 1979 Residence code: Arizona ZIP Code of last known residence: 85023 Primary location associated with this ZIP Code:Phoenix, Arizona More About HARRY BUTTS: Fact 1: Social Security #: 342-03-8497 Fact 2: SS# issued in: Illinois Fact 4: Last residence ZIP: 85023 Child of EVELYN NELSON and HARRY BUTTS is: 11. i. CAROL ANN4 BUTTS, b. December 24, 1933. Generation No. 4 8. MARY JUNE4 KURZ (HAZEL MARIE3 NELSON, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born June 24, and died June 01, 1977. She married JAMES FARMER , SR.. Children of MARY KURZ and JAMES FARMER are: 12. i. JAMES5 FARMER , JR.. ii. GERALYN KATHLEEN FARMER. iii. REBECCA FARMER. 9. DANIEL H.4 KURZ , JR. (HAZEL MARIE3 NELSON, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born February 16, 1926 in Missouri, USA, and died February 1992. He married REGGIE ...... Notes for DANIEL H. KURZ , JR.: ***Social Security Death Index: [Broderbund Family Archive #110, Vol. 1 A-L, Ed. 5, Social Security Death Index: U.S., Date of Import: Jul 30, 1997, Internal Ref. #1.111.5.135364.161] Individual: Kurz, Daniel Social Security #: 488-20-9446 SS# issued in: Missouri Birth date: Feb 16, 1926 Death date: Feb 1992 ZIP Code of last known residence: 94595 Primary location associated with this ZIP Code: Walnut Creek, California More About DANIEL H. KURZ , JR.: Fact 1: Social Security #: 488-20-9446 Fact 2: SS# issued in: Missouri Children of DANIEL KURZ and REGGIE ..... are: i. PATRICIA5 KURZ. Notes for PATRICIA KURZ: PATRICIA KURZ MARRIED GARY EGGERT AND BILL MCKAY. 13. ii. BETH KURZ. iii. JUDY KURZ. 10. GARY KAY4 NELSON (KENNETH WILLIAM3, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born December 16, 1931 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA. He married PHYLLIS LORAINE BOYD April 26, 1953 in Litchfield, Montgomery Co., IL, USA, daughter of HUGH BOYD and GENEVA BETTERTON. Children of GARY NELSON and PHYLLIS BOYD are: 14. i. DAVID WILLIAM5 NELSON, b. July 12, 1957, Fort Wayne, Allen Co., IN, USA. 15. ii. SUSAN GAYLE NELSON, b. November 25, 1958, Fort Wayne, Allen Co., IN, USA. 16. iii. NANCY KAY NELSON, b. May 30, 1960, Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. 11. CAROL ANN4 BUTTS (EVELYN E.3 NELSON, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born December 24, 1933. She married LEONARD ENGELHARDT March 16, 1952. Children of CAROL BUTTS and LEONARD ENGELHARDT are: i. KAREN LYNN5 ENGELHARDT, b. May 27, 1966; m. (1) SCOTT...; m. (2) WILL LEVESQUE, June 15, 1997. Notes for KAREN LYNN ENGELHARDT: KAREN LYNN ENGELHARDT WAS ADOPTED BY CAROL ANN BUTTS AND LEONARD ENGELHARDT. ii. DAVID LEONARD ENGELHARDT, b. February 08, 1968. Notes for DAVID LEONARD ENGELHARDT: DAVID ENGELHARDT WAS ADOPTED BY CAROL ANN BUTTS AND LEONARD ENGELHARDT. Generation No. 5 12. JAMES5 FARMER , JR. (MARY JUNE4 KURZ, HAZEL MARIE3 NELSON, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1). He married (1) PATTY ...... He married (2) KIM ...... Children of JAMES FARMER and PATTY ..... are: i. LISA6 FARMER. ii. LORI FARMER. Children of JAMES FARMER and KIM ..... are: iii. NICHOLAS JAMES6 FARMER. iv. SIMON FARMER. 13. BETH5 KURZ (DANIEL H.4, HAZEL MARIE3 NELSON, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1). She married TIMOTHY F. LENAHAN July 21, 1984. Children of BETH KURZ and TIMOTHY LENAHAN are: i. DANIELLE ROSE6 LENAHAN, b. December 23, 1984. ii. JILLIAN LENAHAN. 14. DAVID WILLIAM5 NELSON (GARY KAY4, KENNETH WILLIAM3, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born July 12, 1957 in Fort Wayne, Allen Co., IN, USA. He married ELIZABETH ANN HAILEY June 19, 1982 in Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA, daughter of MARTIN HAILEY and BARBARA LONG. Children of DAVID NELSON and ELIZABETH HAILEY are: i. MICHAEL DAVID6 NELSON, b. April 14, 1983, Ellsworth AFB, Meade Co., SD, USA. ii. MEAGHAN ELIZABETH NELSON, b. May 15, 1985, Ellsworth AFB, Meade Co., SD, USA. 15. SUSAN GAYLE5 NELSON (GARY KAY4, KENNETH WILLIAM3, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born November 25, 1958 in Fort Wayne, Allen Co., IN, USA. She married THOMAS ALOIS KLEMAIER May 26, 1979 in Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA, son of ERNEST KLEMAIER and DOROTHY STAILEY. Notes for SUSAN GAYLE NELSON: SUSAN NELSON AND TOM KLEMAIER WERE DIVORCED IN 1996. Children of SUSAN NELSON and THOMAS KLEMAIER are: i. JOSEPHINE ADEL6 KLEMAIER, b. January 02, 1984, Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. ii. KENNETH ERNEST KLEMAIER, b. June 03, 1986, Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. 16. NANCY KAY5 NELSON (GARY KAY4, KENNETH WILLIAM3, SARAH ESSIE2 DUNCAN, ANDREW T.1) was born May 30, 1960 in Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. She married JOSEPH IGNATIUS MOORE June 21, 1980 in Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. Children of NANCY NELSON and JOSEPH MOORE are: i. JACOB DANIEL6 MOORE, b. May 15, 1981, Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. ii. WILLIAM JOSEPH MOORE, b. November 05, 1983, Springfield, Sangamon Co., IL, USA. ************************************************************** OH online death index (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/01/97 21:51) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com This was posted to Ohio Roots. It is a search engine which can be used to locate death information for given years, information from which a death certificate can be ordered. Re: [OHIO] OHS online ("B. Whitney" , 11/29/97 16:39) To: OHIO-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU This is the address for the Ohio Historical Society Death Index for the years 1913-1927 and 1933-1937. http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/search.cfm ********************************************************** Help on information Rose's book (TC Taulbee , 12/02/97 22:49) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Taulbee List Post On page 247 Rose's book, she indicates that Levi Taulbee married Mary E. Taulbee and that they were second cousins. She shows Mary as the daughter of Silas Taulbee, showing Mary's birth date as 10-24-1852. She shows Levi and Mary being married on 6-12-1871. I attempted to trace the lineage for Mary as is in the book and have been unsuccessful. I do find a Mary E. Taulbee, daughter of Silas Taulbee on page 83, however it has her born after the date of marriage for Silas and Mary. If someone has the information I sure would appreciate it. Terry **************************************************************** OH searchable data bases (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/02/97 08:34) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Jill has reminded me that there is another URL for searchable databases at the OH Historical Society: (Thanks Jill) ************************************************************** SWANGO Family (Frank Brewer , Wed 19:26) [Dec 3] Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Subscribers Hello Subscribers: IÆve been exchgÆg email about the mother of Geo. Wash. Swango (1811-1889), son of Little Abe Swango (1790-1863). It occurred to me, TAULBEE descendants of æLittle AbeÆ may have an interest. Therefore, I am responding with an æopenÆ msg to all subscribers. The following is an excerpt of a msg that I recently recÆd: >Let me know what you have and where you got it from as I'm >rather skeptical, friend! Everyone I know shows G.W. Swango's >mother as Deborah Auglin/Ogden... I've gone back to the source >of my data, The Swango Book, 1976 Edition, ... pages 24-28. IÆm aware that my position might be a minority of one. However, personally, IÆm quite convinced that that æ1976 EditionÆ is in error. Precisely: "In the Spring of 1812...Abraham...married to...Deborah Auglin (Ogden) who was bearing their second child..." Whoever wrote that (ca.1976) evidently had not done meticulous research. Deborah probably conceived æherÆ first child on January 01, 1816, æafterÆ the War of 1812 (which would have been AbeÆs 2nd child). æGeorge Washington SwangoÆ was born (pre-war) 07 June 1811. While researching the SWANGO Family, I found a quote from an old Bible entry record. "A HISTORY of the SWANGO FAMILY" was published in 1959, which precedes the 1976 book by 17 years. On page 106 of the 1959 book it says: "Abraham Swango married Deborah Auglin, born 1798. ...The same Bible gives the following record of children born to Abraham Swango and Deborah Ogden: Harrison Swango born October 8, 1816. Lydia Swango (1818-1893). Stephen Swango (1820-1877). Elizabeth Swango (1822-1893). Mariah Swango (1824-1859). Samuel Swango (1826- ). Mary Swango (1827- ). Nancy Swango (1829- ). Jesse Swango (1831- ). Ella Jane Swango (1833- ). Emily Jane Swango (1835-1837). Chapman Swango (1837-1863)." Note: Everything between my quotation marks is in the Æ59 book. Apparently, at the time the Bible record was copied, many of the children of Abe & Debbie Swango were still alive. Based on blank dates, I estimate that it was copied ca.1895 when Deborah Adeline (JOHNSON) TYLER (1856-1936) was 39 years old. Most likely, the then owner of the Bible was named for her Grandma Deborah. I realized that G. W. Swango was probably not a son of DeborahÆs when I saw that his name had not been written in her Bible record. My æbest guessÆ as to his ætrueÆ mother is æPhoebe Jane RINGO.Æ The following is another excerpt of that msg that I recently recÆd: >Until I am convinced it is wrong, I will continue to use it and will >gladly refer anyone to my source of reference. Thanks for calling >my attention to this matter because we often become overloaded >with information but I don't think I have this wrong... IÆve no desire to convince anyone! I merely share what I research. G. W. Swango descendants who have a æmindsetÆ will continue to believe that Deborah Auglin/Ogden is his true mother. I will not! To each, his own. Respectfully, Frank BREWER, Southgate, KY Email: fdelano@fuse.net **************************************************************** Re: SWANGO Family (moravia@doitnow.com, Wed 22:09) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: fdelano@fuse.net CC: Subscribers Frank, These are the Swangos I have posted in the Taulbee line so far. I don't really know how many more there may be. Do you know if they tie in with "your" Swangos? Caroline Swango: 1800s, Kentucky Cynthia Swango: 1888 - 19??, Kentucky Mary Swango: 1800s - 1900s, Kentucky ************************************************************* Taulbee query (Annacarole@aol.com, Thu 02:13) [Dec 4] Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Looking for the parents of William Daniel Taulbee who married Mexia Prater, probably in Morgan County. They lived for a while in Hazel Green and were in West VA, ca 1940 when one of their children was born. Buried here in OH, I believe in Butler County. Thanks Carole *************************************************************** SWANGO & TAULBEE (Frank Brewer , 12/04/97 10:07) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Subscribers Hello Robert and Subscribers: >Frank, These are the Swangos I have posted in the Taulbee line >so far. I don't really know how many more there may be. Do you >know if they tie in with "your" Swangos? To my knowledge, all SWANGOs descend from one family. The spelling is an old corruption of the German name, SCHWANGAU. >Caroline Swango: 1800s, Kentucky Possibly the wife (b.1849) of Henry Schockey, or the wife (b.1881) of Johnny Hollon, or the wife (b.1888) of Wm Ashford Rose. >Cynthia Swango: 1888 - 19??, Kentucky Unlikely, but possibly the wife (b.1866) of James M. Whisman. >Mary Swango: 1800s - 1900s, Kentucky I have data on 15 different candidates that Mary might be. Anyone with a SWANGO in their data is welcome to contact me. Maybe together we can fill in some gaps. I have a special interest in how any SWANGO and TAULBEE relate to one another. Frank ************************************************* Swango (Annacarole@aol.com, 12/05/97 02:38) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Swango Cemetery located on Baptist Road, Wolfe County. This is a very old cemetery and some of the stones and dates were either hard to read or unreadable, so some of the dates may be questionable. Caroline Shocky b. Sept. 14, 1849 d. Nov. 3, 1891 G.W. Swango b. June 7, 1911 d. 1889 Lucinda (Hollon) Swango b. Oct. 30, 1813 d. Aug. 8, 188_ S.H. Swango b. July 26, 1856 d. Feb. 21, 1899 John Swango b. April 10, 1841 d. Oct. 16, 1926 A.M. Swango b. Feb. 10, 1843/8 d. Mar. 26, 1909 Mary J. Swango b. Nov. 23, 1899 d. unreadable Harrison Swango b. 1907 d. 1952/62? Martha Swango b. Sept. 24, 1919 d. Dec. 1929 Carrie Ann Swango b. 1909 d. 1961 (May 12, 1909 d. Jan. 15, 1961) Nancy Ann Swango b. Sept. 29, 1889 d. Oct. 15, 1902 d/o Hiram & N.A. Swango Nancy Ann Swango b. 1873 d. 1929 w/o Hiram Swango Hiram Swango b. July 9, 1851 d. May 10, 1911 Letha Swango b. July 29, 1883 d. Sept. , 1919 Mary S. Swango b. Mar. 8, 1855 d. Aug. 20, 1898 w/o H. Swango Caroline Swango b. April 16, 1875 d. Dec. 27, 1963 Isiac Swango b. Oct. , 1875 d. Sept. 1958 Carole ****************************************************** Stella Taulbee; 1898 - ? (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/05/97 14:30) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Spoke to an 81 year old niece of Stella Taulbee, daughter of Henry Wayne Taulbee and Emily Quicksall Lykins. Her name is Ollie. I have posted this line, it is the last post in the closed archives. I have Stella on my web page as married to (?) Tyler. Ollie told me that the first name of Stella's husband was Roy. Also told me she knew Henry's wife as Emeline, which is not a contradiction. She did not know that Henry's first name was Henry, said he was always known as Grandpa Wayne. Informed me that Sabrina Taulbee, her mother, was always called Biny and always thought her first name was Sabina, not Sabrina, as in Rose's book, but does not know for sure. -- Robert L. George ------ Surprise, Arizona The Crooked Tree; The Taulbee Pages; The Census On Line; http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/index.html On line data base plus sixty years of poetry. Listowner for Taulbee, Talbee, Tolby and variants. Send subscribe to Taulbee-L-request@rootsweb.com Researching Bailey, Brady, Brown, Dressback, George, Hitchcock, Hollon, King, Taulbee and related families. **************************************************************** Morgan County Marriages, 1823 - 1882 (moravia@doitnow.com, Sat 23:05) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I have just placed David May's Morgan County Marriage Records on line. They cover all years from 1823 thru 1882 inclusive and are loaded with Taulbees. There are some column alignment problems, but they are in a lot better shape than the Lawrence County records. I have Lawrence County almost finished, maybe by the end of next week. Then, if no one else wants to tackle these, I will start imoproving the way they display, but they are readable and very usable now. -- Robert L. George ------ Surprise, Arizona The Crooked Tree; The Taulbee Pages; The Census On Line; http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/index.html On line data base plus sixty years of poetry. Listowner for Taulbee, Talbee, Tolby and variants. Send subscribe to Taulbee-L-request@rootsweb.com Researching Bailey, Brady, Brown, Dressback, George, Hitchcock, Hollon, King, Taulbee and related families. ************************************************************* Taulbees in Morgan County (moravia@doitnow.com, Sat 23:57) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com The spelling variations I found in the Morgan County records are Taulbee and Taulby, none of the others have shown up. About 1851 or 1852 the format changes so that groom and bride are listed in the same column, and the next column (where the bride was earlier) contain the witnesses. When I get this file broken up, the column headings will appear more often. ************************************************************** more photos (moravia@doitnow.com, Sun 13:56) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Just to let you know that Cousin Cynthia has started a photo album and Cousin Nadine has added anther to hers. Cynthia describes her first photo as "The man on the right is Albert Taulbee s/o John CB Taulbee (pg 26 of Rose's Book) Albert was the brother of my great grandmother Peggy Taulbee. The woman in he middle is Alberts wife Margaret (I'm not ure which wife she is because Roses book shows him marrying Anna Quicksall). The man on the left is Albert's son Bruce Taulbee. Nadine added a photo of Susannah Taulbee b. 1821 d. 1890 d/o William Barry Taulbee. She married Daniel W. Allen July 21, 1840, Morgan Co., KY. I would like to thank everyone of our cousins who has donated photos to the web page for helping bring some life into the tree. *************************************************************** Subject: Margaret (Peggy) Taulbee and John Dunn Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:34:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:31:15 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com >From my web page: Margaret (Peggy) Taulbee, daughter of Andrew Jackson Taublee, was born in 1805 in Wilkes County, North Carolina. Margaret married John Dunn, Jr., son of her sister Elizabeth's husband in 1812. Margaret was 7 years older than John and gave birth to a son, Ira Taulbee, in 1832. This birth may be illigitimate. >From Morgan County Marriages: April 1833L John Dunn Peggy Tobby MSNC/R This marriage date agrees with Rose's book. Rose also lists Ira as a Child of Margaret but not as a son of John. Has anyone an idea of whose Child Ira is? John's or someone else's? What skelleton's are hidden in the branches of our tree? ***************************************************** Subject: [Fwd: taulbee country of orgin for family] Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:16:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:28:11 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Paul, first welcome to the list. There are 40 cousins on the list with you. Second, you are posting to the wrong address. Posts to the list go to Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Posts to Taulbee-L-requests@rootsweb.com only go to me. No one else sees them. It is the adress used to subscribe, or unsubscribe, but not to post. I will forward your post to the list so the members can read it and give you their ideas. As for the Taulbee origins, the jury is still out. Our earliest colonial knowledge is in the Bay Colony, and it is not a happy story. Go to out web page, http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/index.html Click on the Taulbee pages, and then find the link to Dorothy Talby in the Bay Colony. You can then follow the line into Rhode Island, but just how they got to Maryland is lost, so far. So far, almost all of us descend from Edward and Mary Talbee in Maryland Colony. You can follow it from him. There are discussions in the archives, also found on the Taulbee pages, about the origin of the name. Taulbee spelling begins with William Hitchcock Taulbee, grandson of Edward and Mary in North Carolina about the time of the Revolution. The name shows up as Talby, Talbie, Tolby, Tobby, Taulby, even Talbert in various records. In the late 1800s, one branch of the family changed the spelling from Taulbee to Tolby (See William Preston Taulbee). The pronunciation of Taulbee and Tolby were the same, which explains why the two spellings are often interchanged in birth, marriage, and census records. Talby can be found in the IGI in England into the 1400s. Tailby, Talboy and Dalby may all be variants in England. Talby and Dalby were pronounced the same in colonial times. The possible earlier variant of the name, Tallebois, is Norman French and is found in England in the first century or so following the Norman Conquest. I have not been able to find evidence of the name earlier. Maybe some of our cousins have ideas. ************************************************************* Subject: Taulbee in Morgan County, Marriages Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:07:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:54:28 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com The earliest Taulbee I have found in the Morgan County Marriages is that of John Dunn, Sr. and Elizabeth, in 1829: March 22, 1829 John Dunn Betsy Tolby In 1852 the format of these files change dramatically. If I have put them together properly, in the column where the groom was previously listed, we now find the Groom, bride, places of birth, dates of birth, when given. In the the column where the bride was listed, we find from 2 to 4 witnesses. The last column contains first the owner of the property where the marriage took place, and second, the person performing the marriage. Up through 1855 at least, the number of marriages in a church can be counted on less than half on one hand. Subject: William Taulbee (Tolby) and Polly Tutt; Morgan County Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:06:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:46:10 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Just a thought that if any of you who descend from this particular Taulbee may wish to examine the other Tutt marriages in Morgan County about this time and may also wish to look at William Tutt who performed many marriages in Morgan County about this time as possible clues to their Tutt line of ancestors. This is Wiley Taulbee, probable but unproven son of Andrew Jackson Taulbee I > Samuel > William H. October 10, 1849 William Tolby Polly Tutt Subject: Taulbee in Morgan County, Marriages Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:07:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:54:28 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com The earliest Taulbee I have found in the Morgan County Marriages is that of John Dunn, Sr. and Elizabeth, in 1829: March 22, 1829 John Dunn Betsy Tolby In 1852 the format of these files change dramatically. If I have put them together properly, in the column where the groom was previously listed, we now find the Groom, bride, places of birth, dates of birth, when given. In the the column where the bride was listed, we find from 2 to 4 witnesses. The last column contains first the owner of the property where the marriage took place, and second, the person performing the marriage. Up through 1855 at least, the number of marriages in a church can be counted on less than half on one hand. Subject: Taulbee vs. Talby Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:36:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:45:17 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: "'Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com'" Something to ponder on this rainy afternoon (at least it is here in Maryland): Can anyone provide a logical explanation why the name would have been "de-Anglicized" from Talby to Taulbee, presumably by Wm. Hitchcock Taulbee? I think I posed this question before but can't recall having seen any answers. I suppose at this point in our history it may be all conjecture anyway, but it sure would be interesting to read the various theories. The thing still baffles me as being totally against the trend toward Anglicization of names by most immigrant groups, not the other way around. Was Wm Hitchcock just trying to achieve certain social affectations by fancying up the name, was he trying to hide something, or was he aware of something from our past which needed correcting? Had the name remained Talby, it sure would have saved us from the trouble of spelling out our names many, many times during our lives. Oh well, I'm still a T-A-U-L-B-E-E and proud of it. Thanks, Jerry *************************************** In the will of Samuel Taulbee the name Canaday is spelled "Kennady" and Taulbee spelled "Tolby"....I always thought this to be a literacy problem. Example: William "Talbey" in the bugaboo Creek deal of 1778 William "Talby" in the 1781 Roaring Creek Deed William "Talbey" in the 1798 South Fork Deed William "Talby" in the 1800 census William "Talbie" in the list of Capt William Williams 7th Orange Militia. 1776 My own John Dial "Tolby" on his marriage record dated 1848. Perhaps the name spelling was a matter of education. Nadine Subject: RE: Spelling Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:11:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:20:19 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: Taulbee-d@rootsweb.com, "'Bobby Christall'" Hmmmm.... interesting. But then how would Wm Hitchcock have known that the previous spellings were incorrect, assuming that they had been so for at least the previous hundred years or more? > ---------- > From: Bobby Christall[SMTP:bchristall@apex2000.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 1:08PM > To: Taulbee-d@rootsweb.com > Subject: Spelling > > In the will of Samuel Taulbee the name Canaday is spelled "Kennady" > and > Taulbee spelled "Tolby"....I always thought this to be a literacy > problem. Example: William "Talbey" in the bugaboo Creek deal of 1778 > William "Talby" in the 1781 Roaring Creek Deed > William "Talbey" in the 1798 South Fork Deed > William "Talby" in the 1800 census > William "Talbie" in the list of Capt William > Williams > 7th Orange Militia. 1776 > My own John Dial "Tolby" on his marriage record dated 1848. Perhaps > the > name spelling was a matter of education. Nadine > ***************************************************************** Subject: Taulbee Spelling Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:10:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:18:40 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com >From the notes of Mary Voth and Ed Bates, my research indicates the "T-A-U-L-B-E-E spelling of Taulbee,Tolby,Tolbie ect predates the spelling known in American Research. Spelled as Taulbee, this name is recorded as such in Europe as well, though I haven't any of Mary Voths papers to prove that in my possession. My point in fact was this...William Taulbee didn't correct this mispelling of other persons when it came to certain documents....wouln't one think perhaps even he didn't know the correct spelling? Just a thought. Perhaps some of our other list cousins have in their possession some of the documents in England and France of these various documents showing the spelling....if not, I will attempt to call on Mary Voth's family for more info. Nadine ********************************************************** Subject: RE: Taulbee Spelling Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:18:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:27:51 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com, "'Bobby Christall'" Nadine - thanks; I didn't mean to cause such a ruckus. I would, however, be very interested in seeing copies of any such documents from Europe which show Taulbee. > ---------- > From: Bobby Christall[SMTP:bchristall@apex2000.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 3:18PM > To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Taulbee Spelling > > From the notes of Mary Voth and Ed Bates, my research indicates the > "T-A-U-L-B-E-E spelling of Taulbee,Tolby,Tolbie ect predates the > spelling known in American Research. Spelled as Taulbee, this name is > recorded as such in Europe as well, though I haven't any of Mary Voths > papers to prove that in my possession. > My point in fact was this...William Taulbee didn't correct this > mispelling of other persons when it came to certain > documents....wouln't > one think perhaps even he didn't know the correct spelling? Just a > thought. Perhaps some of our other list cousins have in their > possession some of the documents in England and France of these > various > documents showing the spelling....if not, I will attempt to call on > Mary > Voth's family for more info. Nadine > ************************************************************ Subject: Re: Taulbee Spelling Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:49:55 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com References: 1 Bobby Christall wrote: > > >From the notes of Mary Voth and Ed Bates, my research indicates the > "T-A-U-L-B-E-E spelling of Taulbee,Tolby,Tolbie ect predates the > spelling known in American Research. Spelled as Taulbee, this name is > recorded as such in Europe as well, though I haven't any of Mary Voths > papers to prove that in my possession. > My point in fact was this...William Taulbee didn't correct this > mispelling of other persons when it came to certain documents....wouln't > one think perhaps even he didn't know the correct spelling? Just a > thought. Perhaps some of our other list cousins have in their > possession some of the documents in England and France of these various > documents showing the spelling....if not, I will attempt to call on Mary > Voth's family for more info. Nadine A few weeks ago I sent a dozen or so tiff images of the IGI from England from the 12th century forward. Found lots of Talby/Dalby, found only 1 example of Talbee, a small number of Tallebois, a bunch of Tailby and Talboy, but no Taulbee. That speaks only for England. Let's not lose sight that the possible movement from Tallebois, to Talby, to Talbee over several centuries is logical and phonetic. Why William Hitchcock began to use Taulbee in his line is unknown. Again, it is most likely an attempt of barely literate people trying to match the phonetics of the name. We do not know what education William had, if any, or who first wrote the name Taulbee for him. Whoever wrote it knew that the pronuciation of Taulbee was not the same as Talbee and probably wanted the writing to match the pronuciation and may have spoken German or French better than English. But that is speculation. Must also not lose site that the spelling did not standardize itself in William Hitchcock's line to Taulbee until toward the end of the 19th Century as is eveident in the census and other vital records. The spellings meander all over the place. The current Tolby spelling is deliberate in the line that descends from Andrew as they changed the name on purpose after the Patent Office scandal involving U. S. Representative William P. Taulbee, about 1890. Tolby was also common in the lines of Isaac and Thomas who went into Indiana and Illinois. A check of the SSDI and the telephone white pages show that Taulbee is now the dominant spelling with almost no examples of Talbee or Talby, and not a whole lot of Tolby. A discovery of a Taulbee spelling in Europe will be meaningless unless it can be shown that they are indeed the same family. For that we are going to have to find Edward Talbee's ancestors in Maryland, or John Talby's ancestors in the Bay Colony. The Bay Colony in 1636, because of the religious oaths that had to be sworn, just about demands immigration from England and the Taulbee spelling just is not found in 17th century England. Let's correct that. I have not found it. That does not mean it is not to be found. Subject: RE: Taulbee Spelling Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:51:21 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com, "'moravia@doitnow.com'" CC: "'staulbee@arl.mil'" Excellent point about the Bay Colony. I think it's safe to all but rule out the possibility of immigration from anywhere but England. > ---------- > From: moravia@doitnow.com[SMTP:moravia@doitnow.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 7:49PM > To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Taulbee Spelling > > Bobby Christall wrote: > > > > >From the notes of Mary Voth and Ed Bates, my research indicates the > > "T-A-U-L-B-E-E spelling of Taulbee,Tolby,Tolbie ect predates the > > spelling known in American Research. Spelled as Taulbee, this name > is > > recorded as such in Europe as well, though I haven't any of Mary > Voths > > papers to prove that in my possession. > > My point in fact was this...William Taulbee didn't correct this > > mispelling of other persons when it came to certain > documents....wouln't > > one think perhaps even he didn't know the correct spelling? Just a > > thought. Perhaps some of our other list cousins have in their > > possession some of the documents in England and France of these > various > > documents showing the spelling....if not, I will attempt to call on > Mary > > Voth's family for more info. Nadine > > > A few weeks ago I sent a dozen or so tiff images of the IGI from > England > from the 12th century forward. Found lots of Talby/Dalby, found only 1 > example of Talbee, a small number of Tallebois, a bunch of Tailby and > Talboy, but no Taulbee. That speaks only for England. > > Let's not lose sight that the possible movement from Tallebois, to > Talby, to Talbee over several centuries is logical and phonetic. Why > William Hitchcock began to use Taulbee in his line is unknown. Again, > it > is most likely an attempt of barely literate people trying to match > the > phonetics of the name. We do not know what education William had, if > any, or who first wrote the name Taulbee for him. Whoever wrote it > knew > that the pronuciation of Taulbee was not the same as Talbee and > probably > wanted the writing to match the pronuciation and may have spoken > German > or French better than English. But that is speculation. > > Must also not lose site that the spelling did not standardize itself > in > William Hitchcock's line to Taulbee until toward the end of the 19th > Century as is eveident in the census and other vital records. The > spellings meander all over the place. > > The current Tolby spelling is deliberate in the line that descends > from > Andrew as they changed the name on purpose after the Patent Office > scandal involving U. S. Representative William P. Taulbee, about 1890. > Tolby was also common in the lines of Isaac and Thomas who went into > Indiana and Illinois. > > A check of the SSDI and the telephone white pages show that Taulbee is > now the dominant spelling with almost no examples of Talbee or Talby, > and not a whole lot of Tolby. > > A discovery of a Taulbee spelling in Europe will be meaningless unless > it can be shown that they are indeed the same family. For that we are > going to have to find Edward Talbee's ancestors in Maryland, or John > Talby's ancestors in the Bay Colony. The Bay Colony in 1636, because > of > the religious oaths that had to be sworn, just about demands > immigration > from England and the Taulbee spelling just is not found in 17th > century > England. Let's correct that. I have not found it. That does not mean > it > is not to be found. > ************************************************** Subject: A Question of Historical linquistics Talby > Tolby > Taulbee Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:02:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:13:38 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com This would be a question for one of you who lives near or studies at a university with a department of linguistics within the anthropology department. I have the claim from a British genealogist that at the time of the Bay Colony, Talby and Dalby were phonetic equivalents, meaning no difference in sound between the consonants D and T. The question I would have, is not withstanding the regional differences in pronunciation that have developed in our country since colonial days, Between 1700 and 1800, how close phonetically would Talby, Talbee, Taulbee, Taulby, Tolby have been in colonial Maryland and Colonial and post Revolution North Carolina? The answer may be found in linguistic studies in these areas made prior to the advent of TV and the effect it has had on the regional dialects. My gut feeling is that the pronunciation of these names in colonial North Carolina, and possibly Maryland would have been virtually identical. In the books Marylanders to Kentucky and Marylanders to Carolina, I found the statement that the line of William Hitchcock Talbee, son of Samuel Talbee, grandson of Edward, changed the spelling of the surname name to Taulbee. I think when we look at the documents, this may not happen with William Hitchcock (have not seen his name spelled Taulbee anywhere) but with his children who remained in Kentucky. In the 1820 Census for Floyd County, Isaac, William, James, and Samuel are all listed as Tolby. I think we can safely say the phonetic pronunciation was Tolby rather than Talby by 1820, although the spelling goes to Talby with James, John, William, Sr., and William, Jr., are all listed as Talby in the 1830 Perry County Census. I don't find any trace of the surname on the 1850 census for Perry County. Question, were Talby and Tolby phonetic equivalents in 1820-30 Kentucky? The earliest Taulbee I can quickly put my finger on is the marriage of Margaret Taulbee to John Sebastian in Morgan County, Feb 9, 1836. But Tolby, the phonetic equivalent in Kentucky is found in the Morgan County Marriage of Elizabeth to John Dunn. By the time we get to 1850 Breathitt County, we find the census has Taulbee for the father, William Ashford, and Tolby for the son, Jefferson Davis, who lives in the very next household. What I am suggesting is that perhaps Rose's consistent use of Taulbee in most cases starting with William Hitchcock has perhaps confused the issue, leading us to believe that it Was with William Hitchcock that the spelling changed. Perhaps this was a Kentucky phenomena with just enough difference between a true long O sound that educated people began to write the name Taulbee rather than Tolby and it caught on. This is what a historical linguist might be able to help answer. Taulbee outside KY shows up with Isaac D. who is listed as both Talbee and Taulbee in the listings of his service in the Black Hawk War, in the Illinois Line. This will be the late 1830s. By the Civil War, Taulbee becomes the dominant spelling in Kentucky, and is found in Illinois. This is about the time spelling is becoming standardized in America. These ramblings are just some thoughts on the evolution of a surname. Subject: Welcome a new member Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:41:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:53:40 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com By the way, those of you who received the book via the generosity of William H. Taulbee of PA, can say thank you through his son Stan Taulbee who has just joined our list. Also want to welcome a couple of others who have joined but not posted yet. Don't be bashful you new comers. We are feeling our way in this family. Drop by the Taulbee pages and enjoy the increasing number of Taulbee photos that are collecting there. Subject: Three thoughts on Taulbee Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:29:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:41:44 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Back to the evolution of the spelling of the surname: Thought #1: Samuel Talbee, son of Edward, made a will which was probated in 1791. A poor copy is found in Rose's book. What is clear is that whoever wrote out the Will, used the surname T-o-l-b-y for Samuel and son William Hitchcock. The signature block says Samuel Tolby, but Samuel signed with his mark, a large crude S. This tells me that the scribe who wrote out the will, wrote the phonetic equivelent of the surname as dictated by Samuel. Samuel's father, Edward Talbee's will was probated about 1712 in Baltimore County, MD. If anyone is fortunate to find a copy of the actual will, please let us know how the name appears. I back to wondering about the phonetic equivelancy of Talby, Talbee, and Tolby in Colonial America. Thought #2: What is the earliest we see actually Tolby or Taulbee written in the handwriting of the individual? When is the first time a Taulbee actually signed his name T-a-u-l-b-e-e? A sub thought, who were the first to attend school and no longer have to depend upon someone else to write the name for them? Thought #3 Looking at Perry, Breathitt, Wolfe Counties, and the way the boundries changed, and how the Taulbees settled on Frozen Creek, and the town of Taulbee, etc., how many would have attended the same school and been taught how to write their names by the same teacher? What is the possibility that the spelling of Tolby as Taulbee originated with a school master (or mistress) teaching several that this was how the name should be spelled and it continued to be spelled that way? We know that in the 1850s, the spelling was still unstandardized, but by the 1880s, Taulbee had come to dominate. I am wondering if a bunch of Taulbees could have been taught over a generation or two by the same schoolmasters, and thus the standard spelling of the name. It is not logical that they are going to wake up someday and suddenly decide that the correct spelling of their name should be changed from Tolby to Taulbee. It also is not logical that uneduated people are suddenly going to realize, or meet a school teacher, who realized what the correct spelling of the name is. It is beginning to look to me like a possibile case of a teacher deciding the Taulbee is more correct than Tolby, or, since school teachers were themselves not highly educated in the mid 19th century, simply spelling the name as best he could with enough Taulbees, that it stuck. Even if we find that the name Taulbee predates the colonial period in Europe, it is too much of a leap to say it is the same surname, or believe that someone is going to suddenly realize that Taulbee should be the spelling and not Tolby, Talby or something similar. -- Subject: Search of European White Pages Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:39:00 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Thought I would bore you with the results of an attempt to find a similar name in the European White Pages. Well, the UK considers them copyrighted and they are not on line. Another reason it is good to have kicked the Brits out. Germany tells me my browser is sending them a message they don't understand. France gives the following for the Paris region only. I used to live there and if the surname does not exist in Paris, it probably does not exist in France. Taulbee; Tolby, nothing, zero, zilch. Talbee and Talby give the nearest phonetic equivelent which with very few exceptions are Middle East and North African First names. But here they are for the heck of it. Résultat de la recherche/Response for the request : orthographes voisines 01 42 88 21 39 gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBEE orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 1 ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 1 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Abdelhalim 01 48 42 40 21 96 r Alleray 75015 ____________________________________ 2 Talbi Abdelmajid 01 42 52 70 73 45 r Clignancourt 75018 ____________________________________ 3 Talbi Abdelouhab 01 42 49 67 39 13 r Bellevue 75019 ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Ahmed 01 42 06 47 25 12 av Laumiere 75019 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Ali 01 40 30 19 08 6 r Henri Duvernois 75020 ____________________________________ 6 Talbi Amal 01 43 47 36 71 25 r Erard 75012 ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 2 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Bechir 01 44 69 03 22 18 r Helene 75017 ____________________________________ 2 Talbi Bechir 01 43 61 38 23 72 bd Mortier 75020 ____________________________________ 3 Talbi Brahim 01 48 78 52 19 26 r Navarin 75009 ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Camel 01 42 06 03 89 9 r Jacques Louvel Tessier 75010 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Djamal 01 45 39 29 82 23 r Paul Fort 75014 ____________________________________ 6 Talbi Dris 01 43 73 72 23 7 r Ferdinand Gambon 75020 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Eric 01 43 31 10 71 7 r Nicolas Houel 75005 ____________________________________ 2 Talbi Ezzeddine 01 46 07 61 92 28 bd Chapelle 75018 ____________________________________ 3 Talbi Fadila 01 42 49 05 48 2 r Hassard 75019 ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Fatima 01 42 54 36 34 18 r Armee d'Orient 75018 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Fatima 01 40 30 95 19 14 villa Nympheas 75020 ____________________________________ 6 Talbi Fatma 01 42 80 06 84 19 r Rocroy 75010 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Florence et 01 42 23 64 96 Salim 73 r Championnet 75018 ____________________________________ Talbi Guillaume 2 -113 r Vaugirard 01 47 83 24 36 75015 3 -meme adresse 01 43 06 21 38 telecopie ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Kamila 01 53 28 10 89 5 r Affre 75018 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Karima 01 42 54 27 86 83 r Lamarck 75018 ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 5 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Karima 01 42 93 68 25 6 r Nollet 75017 ____________________________________ 2 Talbi Mahmoud 01 45 88 78 80 18 r Brillat Savarin 75013 ____________________________________ 3 Talbi Malek 01 43 38 36 28 101 r Chemin Vert 75011 ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Malika 01 42 41 34 63 50 bd Serurier 75019 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Mimoun 01 42 52 75 70 7 r Felix Ziem 75018 ____________________________________ 6 Talbi Mohammed 01 45 67 06 35 122 r Falguiere 75015 ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 6 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Mohand 01 42 55 38 19 COUR 20 r Letort 75018 ____________________________________ 2 Talbi Mouloud 01 43 55 04 37 bat A 7 r Robert Houdin 75011 ____________________________________ 3 Talbi Naima 01 43 14 60 08 12 r Boulle 75011 ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Raymond 01 45 42 68 89 227 r Alesia 75014 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Saba 01 53 61 04 84 30 r Nationale 75013 ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 7 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Saliha 01 42 51 42 02 3 r Emile Duploye 75018 ____________________________________ 2 Talbi Saloma 01 40 09 07 42 45 r Montreuil 75011 ____________________________________ 3 Talbi Saloma 01 40 09 99 68 45 r Montreuil 75011 ____________________________________ 4 Talbi Sharifa 01 53 82 09 80 17 r Javelot 75013 ____________________________________ 5 Talbi Taleb 01 46 28 00 30 24 r Charles Baudelaire 75012 ____________________________________ 6 Talbi Touhamia 01 42 29 93 49 118 r Moines 75017 ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 8 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Yamina 01 48 04 04 04 9 r Vertbois 75003 3617 Vos correspondants Le en E urope et aux E tats-Uenis sur l'annuaire international. PAGES I (C)France Telecom 5,57 F/min ________________________________________ gratuit 3mn puis O,74F/4mn TALBY orthographe voisine 75 PARIS 8 ________________________________________ 1 Talbi Yamina 01 48 04 04 04 9 r Vertbois 75003 1 Ait Talb Ahmed 01 42 88 21 39 7 r Raffet 75016 -- Subject: Re: Three thoughts on Taulbee Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:35:12 -0600 From: Stan Taulbee To: moravia@doitnow.com References: 1 moravia@doitnow.com wrote: > > Back to the evolution of the spelling of the surname: > > Thought #1: > > Samuel Talbee, son of Edward, made a will which was probated in 1791. A > poor copy is found in Rose's book. What is clear is that whoever wrote > out the Will, used the surname T-o-l-b-y for Samuel and son William > Hitchcock. The signature block says Samuel Tolby, but Samuel signed with > his mark, a large crude S. This tells me that the scribe who wrote out > the will, wrote the phonetic equivelent of the surname as dictated by > Samuel. > > Samuel's father, Edward Talbee's will was probated about 1712 in > Baltimore County, MD. If anyone is fortunate to find a copy of the > actual will, please let us know how the name appears. I back to > wondering about the phonetic equivelancy of Talby, Talbee, and Tolby in > Colonial America. > > Thought #2: > > What is the earliest we see actually Tolby or Taulbee written in the > handwriting of the individual? When is the first time a Taulbee actually > signed his name T-a-u-l-b-e-e? > > A sub thought, who were the first to attend school and no longer have to > depend upon someone else to write the name for them? > > Thought #3 > > Looking at Perry, Breathitt, Wolfe Counties, and the way the boundries > changed, and how the Taulbees settled on Frozen Creek, and the town of > Taulbee, etc., how many would have attended the same school and been > taught how to write their names by the same teacher? What is the > possibility that the spelling of Tolby as Taulbee originated with a > school master (or mistress) teaching several that this was how the name > should be spelled and it continued to be spelled that way? We know that > in the 1850s, the spelling was still unstandardized, but by the 1880s, > Taulbee had come to dominate. I am wondering if a bunch of Taulbees > could have been taught over a generation or two by the same > schoolmasters, and thus the standard spelling of the name. It is not > logical that they are going to wake up someday and suddenly decide that > the correct spelling of their name should be changed from Tolby to > Taulbee. It also is not logical that uneduated people are suddenly going > to realize, or meet a school teacher, who realized what the correct > spelling of the name is. It is beginning to look to me like a possibile > case of a teacher deciding the Taulbee is more correct than Tolby, or, > since school teachers were themselves not highly educated in the mid > 19th century, simply spelling the name as best he could with enough > Taulbees, that it stuck. > > Even if we find that the name Taulbee predates the colonial period in > Europe, it is too much of a leap to say it is the same surname, or > believe that someone is going to suddenly realize that Taulbee should be > the spelling and not Tolby, Talby or something similar. > -- > Robert L. George ------ Surprise, Arizona > The Crooked Tree; The Taulbee Pages; The Census On Line; > http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/index.html > On line data base plus sixty years of poetry. Listowner for Taulbee, > Talbee, Tolby and variants. > Send subscribe to Taulbee-L-request@rootsweb.com > Researching Bailey, Brady, Brown, Dressback, George, Hitchcock, Hollon, > King, Taulbee and > related families. Has anyone found Taulbee, Tolby or any other similiar sounding name in Europe? Does it stand to reason that since the first Taulbee/Tolby we know of hails from Salem, that he might have come from England? Can anyone definitely tie the original Taulbee/Tolby from Salem to the Taulbee/Tolby found in Baltimore County? (Im new at geneology, but have always been VERY interested in the history of my last name.... Stan Taulbee Subject: 1920 Wolfe Census Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:20:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:27:28 -0500 From: hgask10543@juno.com To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com I have been comparing information from 3 sources: 1. Rose Taulbee Book 2. Carole's Obituaries 3. Carole's 1920 Wolfe County KY Census In the 1920 Wolfe Co. Census STILLWATER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT NUMBER 6 Enumeration taken by James Dunn, Jan. 2, l920, Enumeration Dist 240 HH# 104 TAULBEE Loyd B. 30 HH -Floyd Bertram Taulbee (Floyd was a child of either Newton Taulbee or Laura Belle --?--) Frances F. 26 wife -Frances F. Brooks Mabel 2+11 dau -md. Charlie Amburgey Arnold R. 6m son -md. Rusie Golden Amburgey (children of: Claude Amburgey & Eda Ellen Taulbee) (Eda Mae, d/o James Isaac Taulbee & Delilah King) (Delilah, d/o Geo. King & Polly Vires -------------------------------------------------- Common sense tells me this family somehow fits also, does anyone know ? HH# 105 BRANSON James M. 47 HH Dora B. 45 wife Arlia R. l7 son Troy F. l5 son Dalora J. l3 dau William H. 7 son ----------------------------------------------- HH# 106 HOLLON Jack 39 HH -b. Jun 05, 1880, (s/o Wm. “Black Bill” Hollon & Elizabeth Birchfield) (Elizabeth, d/o Wm. Birchfield & Fanny Taulbee) (Fanny, s/o James Taulbee, Sr. & Elizabeth Hayes) Laura 35 wife -Laura Cockerham Pearlie l6 dau -b. Oct 16, 1903, md. Wm. Taulbee (Wm., s/o John Bowen Taulbee & America Blankenship)-see below (John Bowen, s/o Wiley Taulbee & Anna Birch or Shoemaker) Willie l3 son -b. Aug 25, 1906, md. Rosa E. Childers (Rosa, d/o Richard A. Childers/Childress & Maggie P. Buchanan) Edgar 9 son -b. Feb 1910, md. Fern Center May 6 dau -md. Orville Center Mary E. 4 dau -I have nothing on her Ray 1m son -md. Josephine Rose (Josephine, d/o Crockett Rose & Maude Hurst) --------------------------------------------------- HH# 107 COCKERHAM John M. 5l HH Mary M. 52 wife Henry C. 25 son -md. Carrie Kidd Claud F. 22 son Clarence l9 son Bessie l4 dau -md. John Kidd Orlena ll dau Note: John & Carrie Kidd were children of: James Kidd & Margaret Taulbee (Margaret, d/o Ira Taulbee & Susan J. Sheffield) (Margaret md. 1st, A.L. Flinchum) --------------------------------------------------- then: HH# 110 TAULBEE John B. 49 HH -John Bowen Taulbee America 47 wife -America Blankenship William 22 son -md. Pearlie Hollon Wiley l8 son -md. Daisy Madden Lanzy l6 son (Lonzie), md. Lottie McClain Letcher l4 son Elizzie B. l2 dau (Elizabeth), md. Don Longworthy Edgar l0 son -md. Minerva Pence Martha 9 dau -md. John H. Tibbs Annie 5 dau -md. Courtney Dalton ----------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps someone, Louise Subject: More Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:38:53 -0500 From: hgask10543@juno.com To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com ANTIOCH PRECINCT NUMBER 8 Enumeration by Austin Crawford, Jan. 26, l920, Enumeration Dist 242 12 TAULBEE Milard 6l HH (Millard Taulbee) s/o Archibald Leander Taulbee & Rebecca Hollon Eva 3l wife -Eva Fletcher d/o John Fletcher & Elizabeth Gabbard Eunice 8 dau -md. Arthur Childers Oscar 6 son -Sarah Jett Manda E. l+6 dau (Amanda Ellen), md. Lester Ford Banks, Sr Calie 6 dau 13 TAULBEE Lee 60 HH -Archibald Leander Taulbee, s/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton Rebeca 58 wife -Rebecca Hollon, d/o Andrew Jackson Hollon, Sr & Sarah Wright Ellie 26 dau -b. Oct 18, 1888, d. Apr 15, 1953 Tilda 2l dau Lyda 20 dau Susie l7 dau -md. Jesse Back 14 TAULBEE Price 37 HH -Pryce Taulbee, s/o James Perry Taulbee & Elizabeth Ann Dunn Ella 34 wife -Sarah Ella Terrill Shelby l6 son Beatrice l5 dau -md. J.H. "Jack" Neely Gertrude ll dau Bishop 8 son Elizabeth 6 dau Myrtle 4+6 dau Oliver l+ll son 15 TAULBEE Jonas M. 57 HH/wid-wid/o Ella Jane Swango s/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton James l7 son (James Newton Taulbee), md. Virgie Ellen Taulbee (Virgie Ellen, d/o Luther Morgan Taulbee & Leona Lawson) (Luther, s/o James Perry Taulbee & Eda Ellen Taulbee) Elmer l5 son -md. Manda Gipsie Oliver Clifford l2 g/son Carole's Part 9 of the Wolfe County Census is like hitting the mother lode: ANTIOCH PRECINCT NUMBER 8 Enumeration by Austin Crawford, Jan. 26, l920, Enumeration Dist 242 6 KING Frank 38 HH s/o George Washington King & Arminta Taulbee (Arminta, d/o Jefferson Davis Taulbee, Sr. & Temperance Alice Hill) (George W., s/o George King & Polly Vires) Susie 3l wife -Susannah Gum Addie ll dau Lousette l0 dau Sterling 5 son 11 GUM Henry 34 HH Eliza 35 wife -Eliza King d/o George Washington King & Arminta Taulbee Ella 9 dau Daisy 5 dau Courtney 2+7 son 12 TAULBEE Milard 6l HH s/o Archibald Leander Taulbee & Rebecca Hollon Eva 3l wife -Eva Fletcher d/o John Fletcher & Elizabeth Gabbard Eunice 8 dau -md. Arthur Childers Oscar 6 son -Sarah Jett Manda E. l+6 dau (Amanda Ellen), md. Lester Ford Banks, Sr. Calie 6 dau 13 TAULBEE Lee 60 HH -Archibald Leander Taulbee, s/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton Rebeca 58 wife -Rebecca Hollon, d/o Andrew Jackson Hollon, Sr & Sarah Wright Ellie 26 dau -b. Oct 18, 1888, d. Apr 15, 1953 Tilda 2l dau Lyda 20 dau Susie l7 dau -md. Jesse Back 14 TAULBEE Price 37 HH -Pryce Taulbee s/o James Perry Taulbee & Elizabeth Ann Dunn Ella 34 wife -Sarah Ella Terril Shelby l6 son Beatrice l5 dau -md. J.H. "Jack" Neely Gertrude ll dau Bishop 8 son Elizabeth 6 dau Myrtle 4+6 dau Oliver l+ll son 15 TAULBEE Jonas M. 57 HH/wid-wid/o Ella Jane Swango s/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton James l7 son (James Newton Taulbee), md. Virgie Ellen Taulbee (Virgie Ellen, d/o Luther Morgan Taulbee & Leona Lawson) (Luther, s/o James Perry Taulbee & Eda Ellen Taulbee) Elmer l5 son -md. Manda Gipsie Oliver Clifford l2 g/son l8 BANKS Stanley 28 HH Cara 20 wife -Cora Little James S. 3 son (James Sammie Banks),-md. Pruda Amburgey Lester 1+9 son - (Lester Ford Banks, Sr.), md. Amanda Ellen Taulbee (Amanda, d/o Millard Taulbee, Sr. & Eva Fletcher) l9 KING Clay 38 HH -Millard Clay King Bertha L. 29 wife -Bertha Lou Lovelace Vernal ll son -Vernal Lawton King, md. Celia Alice Taulbee (Celia, d/o Luther Morgan Taulbee & Leona Lawson) Lando l0 son Hurst 8 son -md. Maggie Mavis Childers Calie 6 dau Glen 3+6 son Daisy l+l dau 2l TAULBEE James P. 73 HH -James Perry Taulbee s/o Jefferson Davis Taulbee, Sr. & Temperance Alice Hill (Temperance, d/o Nancy Hill) Ellen 60 wife -Eda Ellen Taulbee Jack 2l son (Andrew Jackson Taulbee), md. Lydia Agee Lee l9 son -md.. Grace Madden Charley l6 son -Francis Fulks 80 STONE Alfred 29 HH Lula 28 wife -Lula E. Taulbee d/o Jonas Taulbee & Ella Jane Swango Palas 3 dau (Palace), md. Elmo Green Edith l0m dau -md. Elwood Couch Here ends the enumeration of Devil's Creek. LOVELACE FORK 22 OLIVER Manda 37 HH/wid -Amanda Amburgey, wid/o Wm. Oliver Dewey 2l son Malvra l9 dau George R. l7 son -md. Flossie Faulkner Johnie l5 son Ollie ll dau Gipsie 9 dau (Manda Gipsie Oliver), md. Elmer Mason Taulbee (Elmer, s/o Jonas Taulbee & Ella Jane Swango) Walter 6 son -md. Eva J. Childers Sam 3+9 son CHILDERS James H. 36 bro/i/law 23 SHULL Thrasher 28 HH Stella 22 wife Raman 4+8 son Clemman 2+2 son 24 LOVELACE Jesse M. 55 HH Frances 52 wife Dewey 20 son Grace l5 dau Odus l0 son -md. Mattie Taulbee (Mattie, d/o Rainey Taulbee & Martha Harris) 25 NEELY Ballard H. 44 HH -Ballard Hampton Neely Millie 43 wife -Millie Taulbee s/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton Sylvie l9 dau -md. J. C. Burton Jack l8 son -(J. H. Jack), md. Beatrice Taulbee (Beatrice, d/o Pryce Taulbee & Sarah Ella Terrill) Martha l2 dau -md. Courtney Stamper Carl 9 son -md. Zerhilda or Surilda Taulbee (Surilda, d/o Rainey Taulbee & Martha Harris) Bruce 7 son -Cora Whisman Mary 5 dau -md. Kenny Shull (Mary apparently later md. a Childers per her brother James Obituary) Lillie 2+7 dau -md. Wendall Noble Edwin 8m son (James Edwin), md. Mae Spencer 26 TAULBEE Monroe 39 HH -James Monroe Taulbee Nanie 39 wife -Nancy Jane Brewer Clarence l6 son (Wm. Clarence), md. Pina Mae Lawson Effe l3 dau -md Morton Taulbee (Morton, s/o James Isaac Taulbee & Sarah Ellen Kidd) Edna ll dau (Edna Margaret), md. Courtney Sewell Burton Frank 8 son (James Franklin), md. Lula Elizabeth Lawson Cleo 6 dau -md. Herbert Raymond Burton Earl 2+2 son (Earl Henderson), md. Eunice Ratcliffe 27 CRANE Robert 59 HH Margret 49 wife Margaret Taulbee d/o Archibald Taulbee & Richard Burton Here ends the enumeration Of Lovelace Fork, of Devil's Creek. LITTLE BLOODY CREEK 30 HOLLON James 27 HH s/o Robinson Caruso Hollon & Laura Fulks Lucy 28 wife Armure -Lucy Taulbee d/o Henry Clay Taulbee & Temperance Caroline Taulbee Smira 4 dau Willie 2 son TAULBEE Delpha 9 ______ 3l CHILDERS Richard 40 HH s/o John Breeding Childers & Nancy Elizabeth Taulbee Dora 26 wife -Dora Bailey d/o Elementary Campbell & Martha Jane Bailey Herbert l4 son Albert C. l3 son (Albert Clarence) Edgar ll son Sherley 9 son (Granville Shirley), md. Cora (obit) Eva J. 6 dau -md. Walter Oliver (Walter, s/o Wm. Oliver & Amanda Amburgey) Maggie 5+9 dau (Maggie Mavis), md. Hurst King (Hurst, s/o Millard Clay King & Bertha Lou Lovelace) Garney llm dau (Lora Garnett), md. a Fox 32 CHILDERS John B. 7l HH/wid -John Breeding Childers s/o Joseph Childers & Levina Cook wid/o Nancy Breeding Taulbee (d. Dec 17, 1919) d/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton Everett l9 g/son Elmer 6 g/son WILLIAMS Manerva 5l dau 33 TAULBEE John 59 HH -John C.B. "Hungry John" Taulbee s/o Isaac Taulbee & Lillian Margaret King md. 1st, Mary Ellen Stamper Sarah 49 wife -Sarah E. Noble d/o Samuel Noble & Martha Bryant Roscoe l8 son Alpha l5 dau Martha l2 dau 34 TAULBEE Patrick 27 HH -Patrick Lewis s/o John C.B. "Hungry John" Taulbee Dixie 2l wife -Dixie Perdue d/o Dan Perdue & Vina Madden 35 TAULBEE***Clueless James 2l HH Grace l8 wife 37 FULKS Henry 36 HH Note: I have Harrison Fulks Ida 38 wife -Ida Florence Brewer George l3 son Francis ll dau -md. Charles Taulbee (Charles, s/o James Perry Taulbee & Eda Ellen Taulbee) Erna l0 son Seldon 8 son May 6 dau 39 TAULBEE Luther 28 HH -Luther Morgan Taulbee s/o James Perry Taulbee & Eda Ellen Taulbee Ona 25 wife -Leona Lawson d/o Daniel Lawson & Alice Brewer Virgie 8 dau -md. James Newton Taulbee (James Newton, s/o Jonas Taulbee & Ella Mae Swango) Celia 6 dau -md. Vernal Lawton King Wilford 4+3 son -nothing on him Marvin 2+5 son -md. Thelma Lingford 40 TAULBEE Raleigh 2l HH s/o Henry Clay Taulbee & Temperance Caroline Taulbee Jettie l8 wife -Jettie King d/o Attison Irving King & Anna Taulbee (Anna, d/o William James Taulbee & Celia Wright) (Wm. James, s/o James Taulbee, Sr. & Elizabeth Hayes) Ivy M. 9m dau -(Ivory), md. Alvin Faulkner, s/o Howard Faulkner 4l TAULBEE Raney P. 43 HH s/o James Perry Taulbee & Elizabeth Ann Dunn Martha 38 wife -Martha Harris (obit) s/o Benjamin F. Harris & Molly Jane "Mary" Taulbee (Molly, d/o Isaac Taulbee & Lillian Margaret King) Deliah ll dau -md. Asa B. Rose Sarilda M. l0 dau -md. Carl Neely Mattie L. 7 dau -md. Odus Lovelace Woodrow 3+4 son -md. Maymie Smith (obit) 42 TAULBEE Henry C. 48 HH -Henry Clay Taulbee s/o Isaac Taulbee & Lillian Margaret King Carlina 5l wife (Temperance Caroline Taulbee) d/o James Perry Taulbee & Elizabeth Ann Dunn md. 1st, May 25, 1888, John Franklin Faulkner md. 2nd, 1891, Henry Clay Taulbee Malvard l6 dau -md. Luther Hollon Perry l3 son (Isaac Perry), md. Mary McDaniels Lenill l9 son (Sewell), md. Elizabeth Ogaur or Ogans? Lizzie l8 d/i/law -probably Sewell’s wife, Elizabeth 43 TAULBEE *****Clueless Edgar E. 28 HH Elma l7 wife James M. l0m son 44 TAULBEE Jarrert C. 56 HH -Jaret C. Taulbee s/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton md. 1st Amanda Jane Stamper md. 2nd Liza Taulbee Lzie 47 wife (Liza Taulbee, d/o ??? McDANIEL May l4 boarder 45 TAULBEE John B. 6l HH -John C.B. "Hungry John" Taulbee s/o Isaac Taulbee & Lillian Margaret King Ellen 59 wife -Mary Ellen Stamper d/o Greenberry Stamper & Ellendu Maloney Stella 2l dau Stephen l9 son Julia l7 dau 46 NOBLE John 42 HH Mary 24 wife -Mary Little Beasie 7 dau James L. 6 son -md. Orpha Shull Courtney 3 son Windell 9m son -md. Lillian Neely 81 SHULL Porter 26 HH Annie B. 25 wife -Anna Belle Taulbee d/o Jonas Taulbee & Ella Jane Swango Anna Belle married 3 times: 1st-Porter Shull 2nd-Wesley Irvine King on Mar 31, 1931 3rd-Thomas Agee on Nov 6, 1940, Wolfe Co. Kernie 5 son (Kenny), md. Mary Neely Corbet 3 son (Corbett), md. Frances Barnes Orpha l0m dau -md. James L. Noble Here ends the enumeration of Big Bloody Creek 46 KING George W. 27 HH Dona 24 wife Cora 6 dau -might have md. Raymond Bryant, Sr. Piney 4+9 dau -might have m. Dorsie Childers Gladys 2+9 dau -md. a Childers (Mida King Childers obit) HOLLON Mack H. 42 boarder 47 GUM Tramps 68 HH Laucinda 64 wife WALTERS Lou 30 dau/div -Louisiana Walters, md. Alfred T. King s/o George Washington Taulbee & Arminta Taulbee Note: I am still searching for my sourse for Louisiana, will find it eventually 48 TERRELL William L. 56 HH Martha 52 wife -Martha Burton (their daughter Pearlie md. Arthur Taulbee) HH 59 below 50 HOLLON John L. 48 HH Note: John probably had a previous marriage or Angelina’s age is recorded wrong Angelina 24 wife Wiley 22 son -md. Bertha Harris below, HH 51 Dave L. 2l son Brack D. l9 son Bessie 6 dau Bertha 4 dau 5l HARRIS Henry C. 46 HH -Henry Clay Harris s/o Benjamin F. Harris & Molly Jane "Mary" Taulbee Molly, d/o Isaac Taulbee & Lillian Margaret King Lou Ellen 46 wife -Louellen Faulkner Emma 25 dau -md. a Patton Frank 22 son Lyda 2l dau -md. a Cockerham Bertha l7 dau -md. Wiley Hollon Raleigh l6 son -see his obit extract below Trulan l4 son Riley l2 son -md. Myrtle Terrill Elza 9 dau Charley 8 son *Flarey 6 dau (all listed as single) This is Flora, md. a Creech Oscar 4+5 son -md. Lila Ann Pence Genora 2+ll dau -md. an Edwards _______________________ Obituary Extract: HARRIS, RALEIGH, P., 74 d. Sept. 22, 1978 Lexington, KY b. Wolfe County md. Rosalee Houndhsell 2 daughters, Mae Cox of Campton and Bertie DeFlippo of Lexington; 2 sons, Kenneth Harris and Jerry Harris, both of Campton; 11 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren. 4 brothers, Riley Harris and Trulan Harris, both of Campton, Oscar Harris of Dayton, OH and Elzie Harris of Michigan; 3 sisters, Flora Creech and Genora Edwards, both of Campton and Lida Cockerham of Wisconsin. Buried in the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. Shackelford Funeral Home _____________________________ 52 TAULBEE Ruford H. 4l HH-Rutherford B. Hayes Taulbee Frances 4l wife -Frances Jane Hounshell Arzelia l3 dau -md. Wm. F. Tyler Bonie ll dau (Bonnie), md. Omar Brewer Flossie l0 dau -md. Charles Smith Nora 8 dau -md. Luther Carroll Delpha 5 dau -md. Walter Weber Judson 4 son -md. Nora Edna Simpson Lina Lou l+11 dau md. R. B. Smith 59 TAULBEE Arthur 38 HH s/o Archibald Leander & Martha Hollon Perla 33 wife -Pearlie Terill, d/o Wm. L. Terrill & Martha Burton Edith l3 dau -md. Ernest Patton, Sr. Neyvle l2 (Neville) son -md. Maggie Moore Bessie 9 dau -md. George Washington Allen Ora M. 3 dau -md. Basil Brown 59 ended the enumerations of Devil's Creek 6l PERDUE Dan 70 HH -parents of Dixie Perdue, HH#34 Viney 43 wife -Vina Madden Newton 22 son Ida l7 dau Clayton l4 son John H. l2 son Matt l0 son Oma 6? dau Geken 4 dau James H. 2 son Area was not given 55 HOLLON Andrew J. 60 HH -Andrew Jackson Hollon, Jr Sarah 59 wife -Sarah E. Taulbee d/o Archibald Taulbee & Elizabeth Burton Fred 22 son -md. Faye Daisy 2l dau -never married Lida l8 dau (Lydia)-never married Ethel 5 g/dau -d/o Luther Hollon & Malvery Taulbee (Malvery, d/o Henry Clay Taulbee & Temperance Caroline Taulbee) 57 LITTLE Willie 3l HH Ella 3l wife -Eller Taulbee d/o Archibald Leander Taulbee & Rebecca Hollon Note: Rebecca Hollon is sister to Andrew Hollon, HH#55 Nora 8 dau Annie 6 dau Chester 5 son Pearl 3 dau Here ends the enumeration for Moore' Fork. Subject: European on line records Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:39:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:51:42 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Finding links to European on line records is not that easy yet. Hopefully the World Gen Web Project will help there. I did find a page similar to my own containing links to on line records in the Netherlands. http://home.wxs.nl/~hjdewit/links.html It has a section on the Pilgrims while in the Netherlands and I have been trying to figure out what I am supposed to ask the search engine to see if our Talby spent any time there prior to ending up in the Bay Colony. Our history tells us many of the Puritans went to Holland before they received permission to migrate to the new world. For those of you who may have Dutch ancestors, I found Marriage records,(I think I did, I don't speak Dutch, but a Man's name, a Woman's name, and a date look like marriage to me.) Found criminal records that are hundreds of years old, even found a list of who was paid dividends by the Opium Society of the Dutch East India Companey. You may have guessed, the page is in Dutch, but some of the record transcriptions are in English. If you have Dutch ancestors, it is a page worth bookmarking. The page owner plans to expand the page to include Belgium. Subject: Dunn/Coddle/Caudle Morgan County 1857 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:57:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:59:23 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com March 5, 1857 Andrew Dunn James Rose James Sumner Mirian Ann Coddle William Rose Joseph Nickell Listed as Caudle on marriage return, Coddle on license Thought I would use this Morgan County, KY marriage to illustrate a similar shift in spelling between O and AU in the vowel as we have in Tolby to Taulbee. The more I analyse this, the more I believe that Taulbee was imposed on the family by teachers or "educated" officials. Joe can relate to you, if he cares to, how teachers tried to force him to change the spelling of his name to what THEY thought it should be. Subject: Breathitt Co. Tidbits Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:00:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:25:03 -0800 From: Velma Atkinson To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com This is a very interesting article and I hope some of you solve some mysteries like I did. http://www.win.net/kyexmag/BreathittTidbits.html I found two gggrandfathers, and possibly three, listed here. Does anyone have access to places where research can be done on newspapers that covered this period of time? Living in Oregon I am rather limited that way. Also is there anyone who has a copy of "Bloody Breathitt" or has seen one? Subject: Dutch- English terms Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:08:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:21:16 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I was sent this today and if any of you have Dutch ancestory and want to look at European records, here is a list of terms to help you determine what kind of record you are looking at. I was unable to get a list of the Puritans in Holland between 1606 and 1680 from these pages. So the Idea that our Talby may have found his way to Salem via Holland was a dead end. All I found was that the Puritans were there between those years, but no list of who they were. I was looking for some who may have come on ships after the first and second Mayflower voyages.. These are root words, the form in the records titles may vary slightly. Doop/dopen - baptism/-s Trouw/trouwen - marriage(s) Echtscheidingen - divorces Begraven - burials Lidmaten - members (of a church) Gezinsreconstructies - family-reconstructions Ref. - reformed R.k. - Catholic Joods - Jewish Grafschriften - epitaphs Volkstelling - census Subject: Surprise in the Morgan County Marriages Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:09:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:21:32 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I just finished fixing the Morgan County marriages so they can more easily be read and have broken them into 2 files for faster loading. I found, as expected, several marriages performed by Samuel Henry Taulbee, was was surprised to find that several were also performed by Commonwealth Senator William Harrison Taulbee, including that of his daughter, Mary Elizabeth to B. F. Patrick at the Senator's home. By the way, the marriage was perfomed on September 29, 1881, not September 24, as reported in Rose's book. It was witnessed by B. H. Hammons and J. C. Prater. Now can anyone identify this Mary Taulbee? June 1, 1880 William T. J. Whitt to Mary Taulbee. Witnessed by H. G. Helton and James Reed. The marriage took place at the home of H. G. Helton and was performed by Milton Lykins. Subject: Taulbee subcribers at college Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:04:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:17:09 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Just a note to those of you who are subscribed from your university servers..If your servers shut down over Christmas and New Year, it is possible that the mail bounces will cause rootsweb to unsub you. When you come back from vacation, send a test message and if it does not come through, just resub again. I have set the bounce limit fairly high to try to prevent that, but one never knows. You will be able to find any posts you may have missed in the archives on the Taulbee pages. Wishing you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance since you may not be able to receive it later. Subject: TALBY, Edward; Pulborough, Suxxex; 1663 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:35:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:41:13 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Found several more Talby to help chase down our English Roots. Or at least give us some locations and names to eliminate. Edward Talby and Anne Lewer were married 29 April 1662 in Pulborough, Sussex. They christened their first son, Edward, on 14 June 1663, in Pulborough. Here are some other Talby's from the same area and time: Alice Talby, daughter of John Talby, Christened 4 April 1626 in Pulborough. Constance Talby, daughter of John Talby, Christened 4 April 1618 in Pulborough. Dorothy Talby, daughter of John Talby, Christened 2 February, 1620 in Pulborough. Jane Talbey, daughter of Richard Talbey, christened 28 May 1720 in Pulborough. Jane Talby (widow) married Thomas Glaspool on 21 Aug 1720 in Climping, Sussex Joan Talby, daughter of John Talby, christened 6 June 1619, in Pulborough. Joan Talby married Thomas Harrwood on 29 Apr 1624 in Fittleworth, Sussex. John Talby married Jan Meeten on 15 Jan 1617 in Pulborough. John Talby married marrie Gunter on 29 March 1624 in Fittleworth. John Talbie, son of John Talbie, christened 3 December 1661 in Stopham, Sussex. Mary Talby married William Scutt 12 June 1683 in Stopham. Richard Talby married Catherine Smith 5 Oct 1623 in Pulborough. I will send a tif image of the igi sheet to anyone who wants it. I was hit by a momentary burst of excitement when I found John Talby listed in a huge book of Passangers and Immigration Lists. But when I ran down the references, it gave no more information than we already had. John Talby arrived in Salem, Bay Colony about 1636. He was granted land in 1636, so this may be the year he arrived. No information about from whence he came. In the Directory of Ancestral Heads of New England Families, 1620 - 1700, John and Stephen Talby are listed as Talby/Tolby. Since we have been looking at second and third hand information which has been typed, I am wondering it there has been some confusion between the old handwriting of Talby/tolby. In New England Marriages to 1700, I find a Samuel listed as: Talbot/Talby? Samuel and Pricilla Southworth. m/2 John Irish 1708. 1 Mar 1689, Bristol, Rhode Island. I think we need to find microfilm of the original and see how these names are written. I will not be surprised to find that the name has been pronounced Tolby all along. In the IGI is see that Talby, Tailby, Tolby, Talbot, and similar spellings are grouped together as one surname group. Talbot was a Norman knight who came with William of Orange in 1066. Talbot is very common, so if there is a relationship, our surname is a mutation. Subject: TOLBEY, William, 1787, Wilkes County, NC Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:45:52 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Another small tidbit. 1787 NC state census. Taken while the Untied States was still under the Articles of Confederation before there was a national census. Captian Carrell's district by William Terrell Lewis. There were 55 households in this enumeration. Page 1, Col 1 William TOLBEY White Males 21 to 60: 1 White Males under 21: 2 White Females: 3 Blacks: 0 On Page 2 we find Andrew Cannaday, whom Rose speculated to be William's father in law. Subject: Taulbee in Morgan County Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:57:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:07:54 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Following are Marriages in Morgan County on the files David sent us. You may refere to the files themselves for witness, place of marriage, and minister etc. Prior to 1852, only the Groom and Bride are named. Have fun with these. John Dunn and Peggy Tobby, License in April, 1833 John Dunn and Betsy Tolby, March 22, 1829. John D. Tobly and Pheby Ratliff, April 20, 1848. William Tolby and Polly Tutt, October 10 1849. L. J. D. Allen and Rebecca Tolby, November, 1849. James W. Taulby and Hannah Burton, October 1, 1852. William Taulby and Sarah Perkins, April 25, 1853. John Sebastian and Margaret Taulbee, February 9, 1836. Daniel W. Allen and Susannah Taulbee, July 29, 1841. Archibald Taulbee and Elizabeth Burton, August 1, 1846. William H. Taulbee and M. A. Wilson, September 14, 1848. Daniel Gullett and Lylnene Taulbee, Fegruary 10, 1859. J. F. Patrick and Eliza Taulbee, June 14, 1861 License, no minister return. William Cockerham and Gilly Ann Sebastian (daughter of Margaret), April 27, 1870. James Taulbee and Louisa J. Elam, August 3, 1871. Andrew Whitt and Celise Taulbee, August 10, 1871. Isaac N. Elam and Margaret L. Sebastian, December 21, 1871. Richard Stephenson and Martha Ann Taulbee, July 11, 1872 (At J. D. Taulbee's house) Brice H. Hammon and Nancy E. Taulbee, December 26, 1873, at William Harrison Taulbee's house. Freelin Taylor and Mary J. Taulbee, March 25, 1874, at J. D. Taulbee's house. Leander C. Elam and Nancy C. Taulbee, September 19, 1875. Daniel Burton and Matilda E. Wilson, November 26, 1876, at Elizabeth Taulbee's house. Saamuel F. Taulbee and L. E. Davis, November 28, 1877. William T. J. Whitt and Mary Taulbee, June 1, 1880. B. F. Patrick and Mary E. Taulbee, September 29, 1881, at William Harrison Taulbee's house, William officiating. Samuel A. Taulbee and Lucinda A. Esterling, December 8, 1881. You will notice that the spelling is Taulby or Taulbee after 1849 and is exclusively Taulbee from 1859 on. I have not gleaned these files for marriages of children of Taulbee women who married other surnames, except for Margaret Sebastian. There are numberous occations where Taulbees are witnesses to marriages I have not listed. Subject: Executed BREWER Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:34:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:42:27 -0500 From: Frank Brewer Organization: Krohn Scientific Research To: Subscribers , Subscribers , Subscribers , Subscribers On February 21, 1855, Joseph Nickell performed the marriage for an "Isom Breuer" and a [Widow] "Mrs Sarah Jane Simpkins." "Asa B. Nickell" and "Mary Jane Nickell" were witnesses. This, I’m quite sure, is my great granduncle, "Isham Brewer." He and Sarah Jane are said to be the true parents of the ‘executed Brewer.’ I had thought that I had the ‘executed Brewer’ figured out to be Isham’s Charley, born 1900. However, due to marriage records, the ‘executed Brewer’ must have been born about 1855 or 1856. Now, I’m back to searching for the name of the ‘executed Brewer.’ If and when I learn his name, I’ll attempt to post it here. If anyone can shed more light on this subject, please contact me. Frank Brewer, Southgate, KY Subject: $1,000 Termination Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:30:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:37:32 -0500 From: Frank Brewer Organization: Krohn Scientific Research To: Subscribers , Subscribers , Subscribers , Subscribers TERMINATION OF $1,000 REWARD OFFER To date, there has been no ‘ethical’ claim to my offer. Therefore, effective Midnight (24:00:00) GMT, Wednesday, 31 Dec 1997, the following offer of $1,000 reward will terminate all over the world: REWARD OFFER OF ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($1000.00): Some folks believe that on the 24th day of September, 1777, a baby girl was born, to Rebecca & Ambrose BREWER, named Charity; and this Charity grew up and wed Shadrach MAYNARD; and to this Charity & Shadrach was born a baby girl named Mahalah; and this Mahalah grew up and wed Willis BREWER; I will give $1000.00 to the first person providing certified copies to me of authentic documents that prove this belief to be true. Effective Midnight (24:00:00) GMT, Wednesday, 31 Dec 1997, the aforementioned offer of reward will terminate and be null and void! For the record: (1) No one has presented, to me, any evidence whatsoever that Charity was born a BREWER; or (2) that Charity was ever married to Shadrach; or (3) that Charity is Mahalah’s mother. I am ‘now’ convinced that those three points are false conjectures. Genealogists, who research those claims, can learn it for themselves. I would allow said offer to go on indefinitely, but, due to the value, it is attractive to the unethical. One person referred to the value as $10,000, which, of course, was/is false. Anyone wanting details, including the e-mail exchange, may contact me personally via e-mail. Frank Brewer, Southgate, KY E-mail: fdelano@fuse.net Subject: RE: TALBY, Edward; Pulborough, Suxxex; 1663 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:20:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:30:46 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com, "'moravia@doitnow.com'" Hate to reveal my ignorance, but what's the igi? It's quite interesting that the records reflect the origins of the Talby's around Sussex, given the probability that a Taillebois was part of the expeditionary force of 7,000+ with Wm. The Conqueror in 1066. The expeditionary force landed near Hastings, which is in Sussex shire. What would have been the likelihood of 1) "Taillebois" evolving over the next 600 years or so to "Talby" and 2) a majority of Taillebois descendants settling and staying in the same locale as the landing site and subsequent Battle of Hastings. Could it be that all English surnames ending in "by" (and there are lots of them) trace back to a corruption of "bois" (a good question for a linguist)? I am quite interested in eventually finding out if the Edward Talby referenced below is the Edward from whom I am descended. It would be quite intriguing to establish a positive connection to the other side of the pond. > ---------- > From: moravia@doitnow.com[SMTP:moravia@doitnow.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 4:41PM > To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: TALBY, Edward; Pulborough, Suxxex; 1663 > > Found several more Talby to help chase down our English Roots. Or at > least give us some locations and names to eliminate. > > Edward Talby and Anne Lewer were married 29 April 1662 in Pulborough, > Sussex. They christened their first son, Edward, on 14 June 1663, in > Pulborough. > > Here are some other Talby's from the same area and time: > > Alice Talby, daughter of John Talby, Christened 4 April 1626 in > Pulborough. > Constance Talby, daughter of John Talby, Christened 4 April 1618 in > Pulborough. > Dorothy Talby, daughter of John Talby, Christened 2 February, 1620 in > Pulborough. > Jane Talbey, daughter of Richard Talbey, christened 28 May 1720 in > Pulborough. > Jane Talby (widow) married Thomas Glaspool on 21 Aug 1720 in Climping, > Sussex > Joan Talby, daughter of John Talby, christened 6 June 1619, in > Pulborough. > Joan Talby married Thomas Harrwood on 29 Apr 1624 in Fittleworth, > Sussex. > John Talby married Jan Meeten on 15 Jan 1617 in Pulborough. > John Talby married marrie Gunter on 29 March 1624 in Fittleworth. > John Talbie, son of John Talbie, christened 3 December 1661 in > Stopham, > Sussex. > Mary Talby married William Scutt 12 June 1683 in Stopham. > Richard Talby married Catherine Smith 5 Oct 1623 in Pulborough. > > > I will send a tif image of the igi sheet to anyone who wants it. > > I was hit by a momentary burst of excitement when I found John Talby > listed in a huge book of Passangers and Immigration Lists. But when I > ran down the references, it gave no more information than we already > had. John Talby arrived in Salem, Bay Colony about 1636. He was > granted > land in 1636, so this may be the year he arrived. No information about > from whence he came. > > In the Directory of Ancestral Heads of New England Families, 1620 - > 1700, John and Stephen Talby are listed as Talby/Tolby. Since we have > been looking at second and third hand information which has been > typed, > I am wondering it there has been some confusion between the old > handwriting of Talby/tolby. > > In New England Marriages to 1700, I find a Samuel listed as: > > Talbot/Talby? Samuel and Pricilla Southworth. m/2 John Irish 1708. 1 > Mar > 1689, Bristol, Rhode Island. > > I think we need to find microfilm of the original and see how these > names are written. I will not be surprised to find that the name has > been pronounced Tolby all along. > > In the IGI is see that Talby, Tailby, Tolby, Talbot, and similar > spellings are grouped together as one surname group. Talbot was a > Norman > knight who came with William of Orange in 1066. Talbot is very common, > so if there is a relationship, our surname is a mutation. > Subject: Re: TALBY, Edward; Pulborough, Suxxex; 1663 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:03:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:06:22 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com References: 1 Taulbee, Gerald H. wrote: > > Hate to reveal my ignorance, but what's the igi? > The IGI is the international genealogical index of the LDS. Mainly, an abstract of information from members who have researched their ancestors submitted the information they have to the church. The igi shows that many of the Talby I posted (as well as many of our own ancestors) have received LDS sacraments, such as the baptism of the dead. The information is not always accurate, but it gives a place to start. In the IGI there are source codes that if we follow through, may lead us to the people who submitted the information. I have been posting to the London, Leicester, and Sussex lists trying to connect with someone researching Talby and variants on the other side of the pond without success. I think it is unlikely that any of the Talbys I have found in the IGI so far are the missing ancestor, but since Edward can fit the time frame of one scenario, can't just discard him without checking. Until one of us can actually get to England, checking may be hard. English records are not going to be on line the way our records are since the government claims ownership of them and has them wrapped them up tight under copyright. That means there may not even be books containing abstracts or transcriptions. Archives are revenue generating for them apparently. (So I have been told by people who have written me from England). What I am hoping is that someone can tell me what happened to Edward in Sussex after he was christened. It is possible that our Talby came from Taillebois. It is also possible, perhaps more likely, that it came from Talbot. Both came with William in 1066. Maybe when someone gets over to the other side they can find a hisory of both families and it will be more clear. I still think it is most likely that our Edward came from Rhode Island as a descendent of John and Dorothy. But if he did or did not, there is still a connection somewhere with these Talbys of the 17th century in the IGI for England. My next post to the England lists will be for someone to tell me if the LDS in England has been able to microfilm records they way they have here in the US. Subject: [Fwd: Have you read this?] Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:49:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:02:04 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com This was posted to the listowner's list and thought it important enough to pass on. Be careful when posting something verbatim to the web. Subject: Have you read this? Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:44:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: listowners@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:10:12 -0800 From: bandony@ucinet.com (Ethel Taylor) To: listowners@rootsweb.com I received this in my mail tonight. Thought I would pass it along. Ethel >Clinton Signs Internet Copyright Legislation > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Clinton has signed into > law a controversial bill imposing criminal penalties on >copyright > violators who do not profit from their actions, the White >House > executive clerk's office said today. > > The No Electronic Theft Act, passed by Congress last month, > was strongly backed by the software and entertainment >industries > but opposed by science and academic groups. > > Under the law, a person who "willfully" infringes on >copyrighted > material worth at least $1,000 could be subject to criminal > prosecution even if he does not profit thereby. > > Under current law, copyright violators cannot be charged with > > criminal misconduct unless they profit from the violations. > > Software and entertainment groups, including the Business > Software Alliance, the Motion Picture Association and the > Association of American Publishers, said the change was >essential > to protect software, music recordings and other creative >products > easily pirated over the Internet. They cited a 1994 court >case > dismissing criminal copyright charges against an >Massachusetts > Institute of Technology student who posted on the Internet >for > free downloading copies of popular software programs. > > But last month a leading group of scientists, the Association >for > Computing, wrote to Clinton asking him to veto the bill >because it > might inadvertently criminalize many scientific publications > available over the Internet, and might limit the "fair use" >doctrine. > > The new law includes a sliding scale of penalties depending >on the > severity of the copyright infringement. > Subject: RE: TALBY, Edward; Pulborough, Suxxex; 1663 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:29:17 -0500 From: "Taulbee, Gerald H." To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com, "'moravia@doitnow.com'" Thank you for the enlightenment. I must be the Doubting Thomas of the group, but I'd also be interested to see how and why it is that Talbot is more likely than Taillbebois. I'll be in London in mid-January on a business trip. Due to the nature of the trip, unfortunately, I won't have much leisure time on my hands. If anyone has any very specific queries that I could look into very "quick and dirty", I'd be glad to try and oblige. I may have a little window of opportunity on Friday 16 Jan 98 in London. On Sat the 17th I am visiting some friends in a little village called Hook, which is in Hampshire, not too far from Winchester. Jerry Subject: Re: TALBY, Edward; Pulborough, Suxxex; 1663 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:09:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:22:27 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com References: 1 Taulbee, Gerald H. wrote: > > Thank you for the enlightenment. > > I must be the Doubting Thomas of the group, but I'd also be interested > to see how and why it is that Talbot is more likely than Taillbebois. Continue to be a "Doubting Thomas", Gerald. I think we all have to be a "Doubting Thomas" when it comes to the origins of this surname. The possible surname origins I have seen, including Taillebois and its variants come from Rose's book and an earlier 1906 work by Judge Taulbee. Rose may have taken Judge Taulbee as her source. She was not good at citing sources. As I see it, there is no real foundation laid for these possible origins. True, Either Rose or Judge Taulbee, or both, consulted a book by a maker of Coats of Arms, but this is a very dubious source. If you check with the College of Arms, the "official?" word on Coats of Arms for England, you find that many such books are poorly researched. These companies exist to sell coats of arms to people with no right to them. There is no such thing as a family coat of arms, they were granted to individuals and passed down to the first male descendant, not the family. But these companies have for generations come up with dubious claims on family origins and coats of arms which are often at best incorrect, at worse, fabricated, though also often correct. So I have litte confidence in what I have seen so far as the claim of origin. I have seen Talby written as Talbot. The pronunciation is close if you stretch a point, but then British pronunciation is often incomprehensible anyway. The problem again is I have seen only transcriptions, no original handwritten document. Too many poorly educated scribes writing down the name in different ways. I wish I had enough information to give you a specific question for when you go to England. I would be happy if you could just find a book written in England about Talby, Tailby, Tallebois, or similar variants to help us. Seems like with all these Talby showing up in the IGI in 17th century England and earlier, that someone has been researching them. Someone must have found a John who took ship for the Bay Colony. Next time I am at the FHC, I am going to try to find out how to locate the person who submitted the information. If I am reading the IGI correctly, there is a microfilm number and a serial sheet for the source. Last time I asked, the volunteer on duty told me that yes, there was a way but she did not know what it was. Johnson County Deaths (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/19/97 15:23) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I have just uploaded David's Johnson County Deaths which he just sent me. Covers 1851-1859; 1861; 1874-1878; 1902-1904. Did not find any Taulbee but there are other surnames that occur in our tree: Bays, Litteral; Spencer; Nickell; Sparks, if anyone is interested. I will leave the file up for a couple of weeks until it gets into the KYGenWeb archives. New Member/Cousin (XCRY49A@PRODIGY.COM (MR WALTER C ROSE), Mon 22:16) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Hi, I'm a New Cousin showing up to keep you company. Don't worry, I'm on the wrong side of 50 and enjoying this Genealogy stuff. I descend from William Ashford Taulbee through Nancy Carolina Taulbee Rose; Elijah C. Rose, Jr.; Willliam Ashford Rose; and Shelby Rose. I grew up on Stillwater, in Wolfe County, but left at 17 for a military career. We retired here in Fayetteville, N.C., and would be happy to hear a big Wolfe County howdy if you're ever in our neck of the woods. We live about 110 miles North of Myrtle Beach, S.C. and 50 south of Raleigh, North Carolina. Let us hear from you and who you are? Subject: Taulbee, William Preston; Morgan County, KY 1851-1890 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:36:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:49:25 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Our cousin Nadine has sent another photo for our on line album, this time of William Preston Taulbee, U.S. Representative from Slayersville. This is the 7th photo Nadine has sent and will be her last unless she can talk some more relatives out of some old photos. I have been posting her photos as gif images even though gifs take 10 times the memory as JPG because these photos have deteriorated enough that JPG images lose too much sharpness. Since the back of this photo indicates it was sent from Washington by Representative Taulbee, it dates from the second half of the 1880s. For those who are unfamiliar with the story of Representative Taulbee, he is in William Barry Taulbee's line, the son of William Harrison Taulbee, Commonwealth legislator from Morgan County. He was accused by St Louis Times reporter Charles Kincaid of improper behavior with a female employee of the Patent Office, which is why this is known as the Patent Office Scandal. Anyway, Taulbee and Kincaid got into some shouting matches. Taulbee was much larger than Kincaid and is said to have picked Kindaid up by the ears. In any event the dipute escallated and Kincaid shot Taulbee on the Capitol steps on February 28, 1890. At this time, Taulbee was no longer a member of the Congress, having not been renominated in 1888. I don't know what role the scandal had in that. The verdict of the Jury was self defense. I have been told that they felt that anyone who behaved the way Taulbee did deserved to be shot. However, that story comes from a member of Andrew Taulbee's line that changed its name to TOLBY as a direct result of the scandal. Part of that line settled here in the Phoenix area where one of them is a judge. The other Tolbys went into Missouri and Idaho. Where they went from there is not known to me. In Rose Taulbee's book there is a copy of an Arizona Republic article telling the story. This looks like a national wire service article. There is also an article from the Courier-Journal giving a defense of Taulbee and laying the blame on Kincaid. This event split the family, one branch changing the spelling of its name in embarassment, another branch defending the former congressman. Eventually I will get these photos out on the pages where their genealogy is located. For now, they will stay on the Taulbee Page. Scroll down to the bottom to get to the photos. We are beginning to get a nice collection, thanks to several of our cousins. Remember that you can download any photo by right clicking on it with your mouse. Subject: Taulbee book, all name index Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:41:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:55:05 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Cousin Louise Gaskill has given all of us a Christmas gift by creating an all surname index to Rose Taulbee's book which I have placed on line on the Taulbee Page. Just scroll down and you will find her All Taulbee Index and her All Other Surnames Index. Let's all flood Louise with thank you messages. This will make it easier for us to do look ups for those of you who do not have the book. Stan, I know your father will appreciate your printing this out for him. Subject: Happy Holidays Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:13:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:23:57 -0500 From: arielmt To: "taulbee-l@rootsweb.com" Merry Christmas to all my cousins! Thanks Louise for the 'all persons' index to Rose's book - you rule! (at yule and year 'round) April Taulbee Buffalo, NY Subject: New pages for Christmas Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:34:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 12:32:47 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Merry Christmas, cousins. I find a lot to be thankful for this Christmas. A year ago, I only had two Taulbee Cousins, Kerry Bailey (the first I found) and Carole Bays, the second. Louise showed up during the summer, and then Rebecca and Dennis. Now we are over 40. We are a growing family and I am thankful I have found you. I have created several new pages. Actually, they are Carole's. What I have done is take a bunch of her posts out of the archives and consolidate them so you don't have to search through a hodgepodge of postings to find the information. All these are on the Taulbee Page of my web site. For those who want to go direct and bypass by opening page: http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/taulbee.html Just scroll down past Louise's new index to Rose's book and you will find these new links: Burials in Taulbee Cemetery, Morgan County, KY Taulbee marriages in Breathitt County, KY Taulbee Marriages in Magoffin County, KY Taulbee marriages in Wolfe County, KY Taulbee on 1880 Breathitt County, KY Census Taulbees on 1900 Breathitt County, KY Census Taulbee on 1860 Magoffin County, KY, Census I have finished inputing the data about Isaac D. Taulbee's line on my web page, but the name index is only half done. I am not sure which line I will start on next. If any of you have a substantial portion of any line on a web page of your own, regardless of format, I could place a link to it and not have to input that data. Let me know. I will close with a poem my mother wrote many many years ago. Now in her 80s and failing health, I have despaired that she will ever write again. Those of you who have not visited her poetry on the web page are in for a surprise when you do. Christmas is not for the Rosy Young Inspired by an Article written by Margaret Cousins intitled Christmas is not for Children It is Christmas--doorways are hung with green; Starlight splinters the winter night; Carolers crinkle the crusted snow To sing in the glow of Yule tree lights. This is not for the rosy young Who find those who no longer reach for a star- Wanderers, groping to find their way, Treading ashes of crumbled dreams, Imprisoned by prejudice and pride, Cynical in a changing world As truth becomes error and traditions die, Seeing all things change, but the human heart At Christmas swings ever so slightly ajar- May remnants of faith and hope sift through To point their way toward a brighter star. Subject: Thanks and Merry Christmas Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:18:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:29:05 EST From: Annacarole Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Thanks to Louise for the index, and guess what I finished another disk of obits, and will be sending it out Friday. Didn't want you to get lazy and not have anything to do. Thanks to Bob for getting us all together, look how many new cousins we have met the past few years. So from the Birds and I, Merry Christmas. If Angel doesn't shut up, I maybe having bird for dinner tomorrow. SMILE. MERRY CHRISTMAS, I love you all, and are proud to call each and everyone of you cousin. Carole Subject: Merry Christmas! Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 15:24:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:34:48 EST From: Cynful63 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Merry Christmas to all my new found cousins! And a big thank you to Louise, Bob and Carole for all the hard work they have put in. Happy Holidays Everyone. Cousin Cynthia Subject: Hello and Merry Christmas Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 19:26:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:38:54 -0600 From: Stan Taulbee To: taulbee-L@rootsweb.com ....to all of my new-found Taulbee cousins. I/m glad to see that the work Rose Taulbee did is being carried on. Kudos to Robert George and all the others working on the Taulbee geneology. BIG thanks to the cousin that forwarded Will Press's picture, as I always wanted to see what he looked like. God Bless Stan Taulbee stant@bootheel.net Subject: UK On line data Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:35:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:49:21 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com You may want to bookmark the following URL: http://freespace.virgin.net/alan.tupman/sites/uk.htm It is the first site I have found that lists English on line documents such as marriages, baptisms, census. There are some that date from the 15th and 16th centuries, but most right now is 19th century. In the documents linked to this page, I have found other links to more census documents. I will eventually get them into our database of census and marriage links, but for right now, you may want to remember the above URL. In order to transcribe and put a database on line, you must obtain permission from the Public Records Office because all the databases are Crown Copyrighted. Subject: Taulbee, Harry Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:24:30 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Our cousin April has sent us a photo of Harry Lee Taulbee, his wife Ava Shaffer Taulbee and their boys Carl Lavern and Harold Lamarr. She estimates the photo at about 1910. The boys are sitting in an ostrich cart. The ostrich is a big as they are. Click on the Taulbee Pages and scroll to the bottom to view. This is photo number 13. We cannot leave this page with such an unlucky number. This is also a Friday on which it arrived. Cannot have that either. So someone has to dig into their old photos just to prevent any bad luck. A note for those of you who are scanning photos to send. I have a fast modem, so I don't mind large photos arriving. I can deal with them later. If your scanner will scan a greyscale photo as a tif, send it to me that way. There will be a minimum loss in sharpness. I will resize and convert to gif or jpg for viewing. In general, gif will give much sharper results than jpg, but requires much more memory. Sometimes I have to sacrifice sharpness for memory to make sure you can load the images. Those of you with old computers without lots of RAM and with very slow modems will probably not be able to view these images, but they will remain on the page and be there when you talk Santa Claus into a new computer, or you talk your neighbor into downloading them and printing them out for you. Let us remember to Thank April, Terry, Nadine, Rebecca and Dennis, and Cynthia for their generosity in sharing these photos with us. Subject: Wolfe Marriages Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:15:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 15:23:14 EST From: Annacarole Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com For the past nine years, I have been copying Wolfe County Marriages. I still have lots and lots to do. I wish they wouldn't let anyone marry in Wolfe County till I can get caught up. For space and time reasons, I can't post all I have copied, but am willing when I have time to post Taulbee marriages with any surname you may want, if I have them copied. These marriages run from 1913-1996. Not all are copied and I could and probably have made mistakes so don't take everything I post as gospel, but it will give someone a starting point or maybe an answer to some of their questions. I will also look up marriages providing your list isn't too long. Carole Subject: Burton/Taulbee Marriages Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 15:23:13 EST From: Annacarole Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: Taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Some Burton/Taulbee Marriages recorded in the Wolfe County Courthouse Courtney Burton (s) 20 s/o Jim Burton and Mary Edna Taulbee (s) 15 d/o Monroe Taulbee & Nannie Oct. 25, 1923 Crusoe Burton (s) 19 s/o J.M. Burton Rosa Belle Taulbee (s) 20 d/o H.C. Taulbee Feb. 17, 1916 Herbert Burton (s) 22 s/o Andrew Burton & Mary Cleo Taulbee (s) 18 d/o J.M. Taulbee & Nannie Jan. 28, 1932 J.C. Burton 28 s/o James Burton Sylvia Neely 24 d/o Ballard Hampton Neeley & millie Taulbee Aug. 18, 1924 Roy Ray Burton (s) b. Nov. 11, 1958 s/o Roy Burton and Mavis Rose Kathy E. Campbell (s) b. Jan. 5, 1959 d/o Edward Campbell & pauline King Sept. 1, 1979 Subject: TAULBEE/ROSE Marriages in Wolfe County, KY Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:20:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:34:02 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com This is from Carole Bays; It bounced so I am forwarding it in case you did not get it. Some Taulbee/Rose marriages recorded in the Wolfe County Courthouse (d) divorced (s) single (w) widowed next number is age at the time of marriage ( ) are my own additions Alfred Rose (s) 24 s/o Willie and Callie Rose Reva Taylor (s) 21 d/o John Taylor & Della (Murphy) Sept. 2, 1939 Note: Willie is William Ashford Rose and Callie is Sarah Caroline Whisman Daniel H. Rose (s) 22 s/o Charlie Rose and Rhilda Crissman Armeda Dalton (s) 16 d/o Dave Dalton & Grace Taulbee Nov. 29, 1954 Daniel Ray Rose (d) born Mar. 2, 1968 s/o Vernon Rose and Jean Spencer Kristie Gail Hall (s) b. Feb. 7, 1975 d/o Kenneth Ray Hall and Norma Jean Nickell Sept. 23, 1995 Cleveland Benton Rose b. Feb. 25, 1951 s/o Sam Rose and Viola Ringley Francis Taulbee (d) b. Aug. 5, 1949 d/o Willard Clay Taulbee and Angie Line King Dec. 31, 1984 Courtney Rose 22 s/o Elisha and Francis Rose Nora Wells 16 d/o Wm. & Rosa Wells Oct. 1, 1920 Bruce Jackson Rose (s) 20 s/o Frank Rose and Ruth Brown Wanda Kidd (s) 18 d/o Charlie Kidd and Garnett Allen Mar. 31, 1957 Daniel H. Rose (s) 22 s/o Charlie Rose and Rhilda Crissman Armeda Dalton (s) 16 d/o Dave Dalton & Grace Taulbee Nov. 29, 1954 Ernest Rose (s) 21 s/o Floyd Rose and Effie (Wilson) Viola Taulbee (s) 22 d/o Alex Taulbee & Nancy (Faulkner) Feb. 20, 1931 Asa Rose Delilah Mary Taulbee Feb. 8, 1920 Daniel Ray Rose (s) b. Mar. 2, 1968 s/o Vernon Rose and Jean Spencer Edith Maxine Sparks (s) b. July 21, 1970 d/o Billy Ray Sparks and Glenda Deaton Aug. 13, 1988 G.C. Rose Grace B. Taulbee d/o Raney Taulbee June 28, 1914 Jeff Rose (s) b. Feb. 5, 1959 s/o Blaine Rose and Nannie Patton Nancy Lee Taulbee (d) b. April 3, 1940 d/o Arthur Kash and Emma Wells May 22, 1982 Lawrence Rose 23 s/o Courtney Rose and Nora Wells Justine Nickell 20 d/o Newt Nickell and Mollie Napier June 10, 1948 Leo Rose (s) 24 s/o Roy Rose and Susie Mullens Wilma Jean Taulbee (s) 18 d/o Rolen Taulbee & Golden Edwards May 16, 1959 Nevil Rose (d) s/o Grover Rose and Grace (Taulbee) Nancy Morris (d) 19 d/o Dock Morris and Abbie (Stamper) Dec. 1938 Rainey Rose (s) s/o Asa Rose and Lila (Taulbee) Vivian Edwards (s) 21 s/o Shelby and Clara Edwards Sept. 6, 1941 Ralph Lee Rose (s) 24 s/o A.B. & Lilah rose Mildred Lee Arnett (s) 18 d/o Kendall Arnett and Rosalee Vanderpool Mar. 31, 1962 Raymond Rose (s) 20 s/o Willie Rose and Callie Whisman Josie/Janie Taulbee (s) 19 d/o John Taulbee and Lillie Lawson Oct. 29, 1930 Roy Rose (s) 21 s/o Tom Rose and Flossie (Taulbee) Jewell Taulbee (s) 18 d/o Morton Rainey Taulbee & Effie Taulbee Nov. 6, 1945 Shelby Rose (d) 55 s/o Willie Rose and Callie Whisman Emma Bond (w) 50 d/o Luther Sizemore and Lillie Jane Cornett July 12, 1962 Shelby Rose (s) 25 s/o Willie Rose and Callie Whisman Artie Helton (s) 25 d/o J.B. Helton and Edith Lane Feb. 3, 1933 Thomas Rose 22 s/o Logan Rose Flossie Taulbee 17 d/o R.P. Taulbee Aug. 19, 1917 Vernon Rose (s) 29 s/o Courtney Rose and Nora Wells Jean Spencer (s) 21 d/o McClelland Spencer and Pansy Hutson July 5, 1958 Willard Rose (s) 18 s/o Courtney Rose and Nora Wells Della Sue Fee (s) 16 d/o Ewel Fee and Ella Gross Sept. 18, 1957 William A. Rose (s) s/o Courtney Rose and Nora Wells Carrie Lee Rose (s) 18 d/o Tom Rose and Flossie Taulbee June 15, 1953 From: Annacarole Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:47:48 EST To: Taublee@rootsweb.com Subject: King I show that Zachariah King married three times and that Alfred married Rosa Tincher and no children are listed. Who is Buck King? Alford had these as siblings, Dulcenia King b. Feb. 1880 Green King b. July 4, 1881 d. Mar. 6, 1968 Stephen S. King b. Dec. 1886 d. July 12, 1962 Alford King b. July 1887 (from Census) Raleigh King b. Jan. 1891 Melissa King Carole Subject: CHILDRESS, Hoy; 1857 - 1952 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:19:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:33:28 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com, CHILDERS-L@rootsweb.com Hoy Childress (1857 - 1952) married Rose Adeline Taulbee (1866 - 1957) in 1884. They are buried in Hazel Green, Wolf County, KY. Does anyone have any information on the origin of Hoy Childress? This information is on pg 141 of Rose Taulbee's book. Information on their descendants is on the Taulbee web page. What I would like to know is Where Hoy came from. Subject: Childers Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:25:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:36:15 EST From: Annacarole Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com Hoy Childers b. 1854 d. 1952 was the son of James Matt Childers and Nancy Lovelace. I have never been able to connect this Childers family with the John B. Childers family. I'm sure they are connected along with the Lovelace family. One lived on the Morgan side of Wolfe County and the other on the Lee County side of Wolfe County. Here are some of the people that Nancy Spencer said was buried in the Childers family cemetery at Flat, KY, along with her comments. Winefred Breeding Childers (b. ca 1794 Amherst County, CA d. ca 1870 Wolfe county the w/o Wm. Childers, Sr. d/o Spencer Breeding and Winefred Hurst and granddaughter of Absalom Hurst. (unmarked grave) William Childers, Sr., b. 1788 amherst county, VA d. 1860 Wolfe county s/o Abraham Childers and Elizabeth Roberts. unmarked grave William M. Childers, Jr., b. May 28, 1916 d. Dec. 21, 1904 s/o Wm. Childers and Winefred Breeding Eliza Patrick Childers b. Sept. 16, 1818 d. July 18, 1889 wilfe of Wm. Childers, Jr. John Breeding Childers b. April 4, 1848 d. Mar. 21, 1933 s/o Joseph Childers and Levinia Cook Her notes Abraham Childers b. Nov. 15, 1752 Albe Marle County,Va d. May 6, 1849 Wolfe County, KY Elizabeth Roberts Childers b. ca 1752 Amherst county, VA d. Feb. 17, 1833 Perry County, KY Joseph Childers s/o Wm. Childers, Sr., and Winefred Breeding Hope this helps Carole Subject: CHILDERS, LEE; late 1800s Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:09:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:23:19 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com, CHILDERS-L@rootsweb.com Lee Childers married Orlena Martha King, daughter of Addison Irvine King and Anna Taulbee. Orlena was born Dec 9, 1876 and died January 9, 1903 and is buried in Childers cemetery. Would like to know if any children survived this marriage and if Lee Married again, following Orlena's death. Also, would appreciate information on the parents of Lee Childers, or Lee himself. For those who have Rose Taulbee's book, this information is on pgs 286/287. Subject: CHILDERS/CHILDRESS, Joseph, early 1800s, KY Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:29:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: CHILDERS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:41:48 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com, CHILDERS-L@rootsweb.com John Bee Childress/Childers, son of Joseph and Levina Childress was born April 4, 1848 in Owsley, County, KY and died March 21, 1933. He married Nancy Elizabeth Taulbee, daughter of Archibald Leander Taulbee and Elizabeth Burton on August 30, 1866. Both are buried in Childress Cemetery, Lee County, KY. Does anyone have any information on the origin of Joseph and Levina? This information is on pge 296 of Rose Taulbee's Taulbee Family History Subject: Children of Lee Childers & Orlena Martha King Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 02:57:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 05:07:28 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com >From my copy of the King/Hollon Family History: The King family refers to Orlena as Oriene. Children of this marriage were: Luck or Buck Childers born 1901 Theodaor R. Childers b. 1904 Lee County Kentucky Daily Childers b. 1906 Pearl and Pink Childers b. 1908 I have also a Xerox copy of Addison & Ann Taulbee King picture but is in such poor condition I do not believe even the computer wiz,Robert, can present it to the web page. Nadine Subject: William Ashford Taulbees line Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:26:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 07:36:23 -0500 (EST) From: ANNA FAYE NUTZ To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Searching for information on Mae Wadkins, daughter of Louise Whisman and William Wadkins. Mae comes from the William Ashford Taulbee line. Any information appreicated. A.Nutz Subject: Public Records in the UK Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 19:37:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:51:31 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com The following URL links to a document by the Public Records Office (British) telling where documents relating to Emmigration to the Colonies may be found. It is worth consulting if you are considering a trip to England where you would have any time for genealogy research. ftp://sable.ox.ac.uk/pub/users/malcolm/genealogy/pro/ri071.txt I will post this on our web page so you don't have to remember it. Breathitt County Census, 1860,70,80 (moravia@doitnow.com, 12/28/97 16:04) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Just a question, do any of our list cousins have copies or indexes of the Breathitt County Census for any of the years 1860. 1870, 1880? Subject: Taulbee Gifs Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:21:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:35:58 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com RE the 8 gif images of the paper by Judge Taulbee and others, I will need to remove them just after the first of the year to free up web space for other files. I will leave Nadine's unidentified man up as long as I can, or until we get a reply. If I need the space, I will take the full sized image off first and leave the smaller. The web site is responding a bit slow today. They were upgrading today and I don't know if the slowness is due to the load, or that they have not finished. Subject: WHO?? Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:07:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:20:00 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com I have placed on line two photos for ID sent by Nadine. She would appreciate your input as to them being the same of different individuals. The two paragraphs with the photos are most of what she said when she sent them. http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/who2.html will get you the page with the two photos side by side. I reduced these by 50% to get them to fit on the page. http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/who.html will get you the page with the two photos still side by side but at their original scanned size. This page is almost 700kilobytes, so unless you have a fast modem, it will take some time to load. You also have to scroll left to right to see them. I thought a close up might help. I have my opinions but will not express them. Nadine, it just now occured to me, could you post to the list if what look like large boils on the chin are actually that, or are they damaged portions of the originals? Subject: Re: Who?? Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:46:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:58:20 -0500 From: Frank Brewer Organization: Krohn Scientific Research To: Subscribers Reference: http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/who2.html Here are my thoughts regarding the two photos in question: 1. The left-hand ("L") photo appears to be the older photo. 2. Judging their hairlines, the man in the L-photo appears older. 3. Therefore, the two men are ‘probably’ not the same person. One method for determining the possibility of two subjects being the same person is to do ‘physiognomy’ ratios. This can be done by measuring key features (at least two vertical & two horizontal). It is best to do this on the two original photo. This method can aid in determining that two subjects are not the same, but it cannot be used to determine that they are in fact the same person. I tried to do ‘physiognomy’ ratios on the two photos. Ratio results indicate that the two men could be close relatives. However, I guess them to be, at the very least,10 years difference in age (probably more). I hope this helps. Frank Brewer, Southgate, KY Subject: Re:WHO?? Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:08:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:20:06 -0800 From: Velma Atkinson To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com I agree with Frank. I think they are two different men. I think their eyebrows and moustaches are not the same, and the one on the right has finer features. Velma Subject: Re: WHO?? Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:46:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:03:54 -0600 From: Jill To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com >I have placed on line two photos for ID sent by Nadine. She would >appreciate your input as to them being the same of different >individuals. The two paragraphs with the photos are most of what she >said when she sent them. I downloaded the images and placed a mirror image of one over the top of the other and they matched at eyes and ears and moustache. The reason I thought of doing that was because of the moustaches in each photo -- they seemed to be reverse of each other. The hairlines seemed to match, other than each image's hair was parted on the opposite side of the head. >...look like large boils on the chin are actually that, or are they damaged >portions of the originals? When I enlarged the chin area a 1000% and walked 10 feet away from the computer screen, the "boil" appeared to be part of the man's face and not a damaged area of the photo. So, there you have it, my first attempt at forensics -- he is the same man, your Honor! Jill Subject: rose's book Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Reva Alvis Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: taulbee-d-request@rootsweb.com i live in northern michigan and would very much like to have a copy of rose taulbee's book. if someone could send it to me i would be willing to make a copy of it and return it and i will reimburse them the cost of shipping it to me. i have other information on elizabeth dunn who married james perry taulbee dating back to the 1500's to england will be more than happy to share with anyone who is interested in it. please email me at revaalvis@aol.com and i will reply. thank you. sandi taulbee purol Subject: Photos Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:27:13 -0800 From: T Craig To: moravia@doitnow.com Nadine My impression of the photo's are that they strongly resemble each other. The eyebrows, although not exact are very similar in thickness, shape and how close they come to the upper nose area. The shape of the heads are very close. The ears are also very close in shape. The mustache is also very similar. It appears that the left photo could very well be a photo of the man on the right at an older age. If the problem on the chin is a boil or growth, it certainly appears that they both have it, with the photo at a latter time showing it to have grown. I think there is more evidence saying they are the same thean there is saying they are not. Terry Subject: The photo Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:47:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:48:14 EST From: Annacarole Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) To: Taulbee-L@rootsweb.com They sure look like the same person, look at the distance of the eyes and the shape of the chin. I believe those are fatty tumors on his face, and it looks like in the younger photo the start of one and one the other photo where it had grown, although the older man photo looks older than the younger. The last Redwine girl was killed a couple of years ago in an auto accident. Their niece also deceased had a daughter, but I don't know where she is today. I doubt if she would know, but why not put a query into the Breathitt page or to Mrs. Shouse of the Breathitt County Library. The Redwines were a well to do family and lived across the street from my grandmother. They had store in the middle of Jackson, women's wear. Carole Subject: Who (again) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:30:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:44:25 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com Nadine sent me the following concerning what appears to be facial blemishes on the photo she has asked for help in identifying. -- Robert L. George ------ Surprise, Arizona The Crooked Tree; The Taulbee Pages; The Census On Line; http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/index.html On line data base plus sixty years of poetry. Listowner for Taulbee, Talbee, Tolby and variants. Send subscribe to Taulbee-L-request@rootsweb.com Researching Bailey, Brady, Brown, Dressback, George, Hitchcock, Hollon, King, Taulbee and related families. Subject: B J Ewen Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:34:15 -0600 From: Bobby Christall To: moravia@doitnow.com Robert, I have been unable to contact the relative with original pic, educated guess is that no facial blemish exists, same spots appear to the right of his head on foto. Nadine Subject: Nadine's photos Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:29:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:44:05 -0800 From: moravia@doitnow.com Organization: doitnow.com To: taulbee-l@rootsweb.com As a former studio photographer, I thought I would pass this on to help (or hinder?) your examination of the photos. The lens size and the camera angle will change the appearance and shape of a face or any other feature. Lighting will effect how old a person looks. Grain effects sharpness and the magazine image is much grainier than the protrait image. It is possible to take two photos of the same person, different lens, different camera angles, and make one face seem fuller than the other, one hairline seem higher. We of course can make no judgement about if the magazine photo is a reverse image which often happens in magazines when the negative is accidently reversed. Just to show that they need not be an exact match to be the same person. Carole's suggestion sounds good to me. Subject: Wadkins,Rose,Taulbee Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 05:20:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: ANNA FAYE NUTZ To: TAULBEE-L@rootsweb.com Seeking information on William Wadkins who married Elizabeth Rose, I think that they are connected to the Taulbee family, Elizabeth and William were married in 1864. 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